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Kastle LX82 vs BMX88 vs LX92

post #1 of 8
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Hi,

 

I have just finished a few days demoing skis at Whistler/Blackcomb, and after a few false starts ended up testing the BMX88@188cm and the LX82@180cm. Mountain conditions were mixed-6-8 inches of fresh light powder on top of packed snow at the top, to powder on hardpack/bumps to cement, to sheet ice, to slush. Perfect for testing out skis in a variety of conditions. I had a great time with both skis for different reasons. BMX88 were really smooth, damped , forgiving, but excellent fun in the crud and on groomers, on packed out bumps, but for some reason I really struggled with them in the powder-coated bumps (perhaps because it was a total whiteout), but they weren't quite responsive enough in such varied conditions.

 

LX82s were incredibly fun in everything apart from the groomers when the snow became a little cruddy. At higher speeds they were a little shaky. On packed bumps they were awesome-incredibly maneuverable and great fun in the deeper snow and powder-coated bumps.

 

I do not want anything stiffer (particularly in the tail) or much fatter than either of these skis.  Ideally, I'd pick a ski that was the blend of the two- quick and responsive like the LX82, but stable and smooth like the BMX88 in the crud. It seems from reading reviews here and elsewhere that the LX92 might be that ski. I know it is out of production for this year, but there are some still available, and I wondered whether anyone had thoughts about this.

 

Background: I am 40, 6'3", 230lbish, fairly aggressive, good all round skier-not what would probably be termed expert here-but can ski pretty much the whole mountain (apart from steep chutes). Home skiing base is Alpine meadows/Squaw, so ski about 60% crud & bumps, 30% groomer (often with kids) 10% deep snow.

 

Andy

post #2 of 8

Hey Andy, an Andy here too  ( me 5'9" 175 lbs, age: secret  )

You're a pretty sizeable dude compared to me, so my comments can only go so far

 

I had LX92 174cm for a couple seasons -> l really liked that ski but wanted something damper and some early rise for added versatility.

Just bought some new 2014 FX94 176cm from Fanatykco, located out at Whistler ( they rent Kastle too )

Been on it twice this week in spring conditions, and really like it over my former LX92.

I also have MX78 178 in the quiver, and also owned MX88 178 this year too.

The MX88 in that length was bit too much work for me.

Then along came the great reviews on the new FX series, and I was sold on them.

The FX94 is "more ski" than the LX92, and just a little "less-ski" than the MX88.

 

Check out Dawgcatching's reviews in the Member Gear Review section.

Dawg ( aka Scott ) has thorough reviews/comments on the FX84, FX94, and FX104.

 

- Andy

post #3 of 8

Confession of big guy (6’2”, 250lbs before lunch) about “ladies” ski Kastle LX 92 in 184.

I ski on Eastern snow mostly. Like speed. Second season we have unusual snowfalls. I decided to sell my favorite Rossi Classic CX80 in 180 to buy Kastle LX 92 in 184 and added Fischer Progressor 9+ in 170 to my Volkl Racetiger GS in 183 to cover all possible Eastern conditions. I can tell you, LX in 184 are stiff enough and work awesome for almost all conditions (didn’t try them on real ice) even for my weight! No chattering, nothing. Stable and playful. They are really light, especially compared to my old Rossi. They give me 2 hours more every time before my legs fatigue (bad knees). Edge hold is perfect. I can’t tell about shorter version, may be less metal makes them softer, but 184 works well for a heavy guy for sure. Maybe, my comment can help a big guy to make the right decision.

Eugene

post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 

Eugene-thanks- that's really helpful. I was similarly surprised about how good the LX82s were when I tried them, and it is good to hear some feedback on the LX92s from someone of similar proportions!

 

Andy- thanks for your suggestion on the FX94. The MX series and FX series are skis I can (on paper) easily justify for myself. In reality (as I found when testing skis this week), I don't have the leg strength I used to, and have found that I enjoy skiing on more forgiving skis than my ego would like to have me admit.

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Happened to notice this thread in passing after having spent the day on my LX 92s. Note that I am NOT a big guy (135) and am on the 174cm.

 

This is a such a hard to pin down ski. There are times, even in the course of one day, as in today's very mixed conditions, when I feel like Superman on this ski, and others when I'm just, "meh."

 

The easy part to describe is simply that while edge hold is good on really hard snow for a ski this wide, it's just not that fun to ski in those conditions unless you don't have any kind of a narrow carver available.It's just a lot of ski to get up on edge and hold there. In addition, on rough hard surfaces I do subjectively get a kind of "cap ski" noise and feel (albeit very mutedly) that I don't particularly love, even while objectively recognizing that the ski is actually doing fine. The harder part to describe is why I like it so much in certain kinds of bumps and not at all in others. Basically I guess it's just a bit too much ski for me in tight, choppy bumps. I end up javelining the tips into the far side of a trough too often for comfort, occasionally even ejecting. This happens on runs that I can ski fine on other skis, on the same day. By contrast, in bigger, rounder bumps, they feel like one of the best bump skis I've been on. :dunno  

 

Meanwhile I have never been on a ski this reassuring in the kind of soft eastern brown sugar snow piles of various sizes, that you get on a trail that was groomed last night or the night before, but that has been sitting in the warm sun and getting skied up all day. What I particularly like is that I an make big round GS-y turns through this and let the relatively long footprint and moderate flex this ski smooth the way. By contrast, I can equally well just to kind of porpoise-in-and-out of the mini-bump piles with higher-frequency turns. Either way the ski feels made for this. Same story in open terrain with light crud or rounded soft bumps out west. Although the ski sounded upset, it actually also handled some really nasty medium-sized coral-reef bumps today with much more aplomb than its driver.  Hard to imagine a ski that would have been much better at that thankless task.

 

If I can get the whole base working through the snow, everything is great. As soon as only a small portion of the ski base is working - either on edge in hard snow or in choppy bumps - the ski turns a bit recalcitrant on me.

post #6 of 8

qcanoe:

Have you had a chance to demo the FX84 ?  I know from other threads the new FX has been on your brain too.

I would think the bit of extra beef and early rise of an FX84 would assist in the bumps, getting on edge, and less deflection compared to LX92.

That's why I changed.  But then you are much lighter than me too.

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qcanoe:

Have you had a chance to demo the FX84 ?  I know from other threads the new FX has been on your brain too.

I would think the bit of extra beef and early rise of an FX84 would assist in the bumps, getting on edge, and less deflection compared to LX92.

That's why I changed.  But then you are much lighter than me too.

 

 

I had a chance to - along with a bunch of Kastles and other skis - but didn't realize the chance was coming, and when it suddenly appeared I was unable to take advantage of it because I'd committed to other things on that particular ski day. :(

 

There are a bunch of skis out there that I would probably like. Agree that the FX 84 is high on the list, but no way I'm buying a new one, demo or no demo. And used ones are scarce at the moment. I ended up with a used LX 92 this year for complicated reasons and unsurprisingly it turned out not to be the very best fit for the niche I need filled at the moment. Fun learning experience, though. 

post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 

Have you tried either the LX82 or the BMX88? your experience with the LX92 sounds similar to mine with the BMX88, with the exception that the BMX88 was really smooth through rougher snow.

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