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Looking for a hard charging, fast turning all mountain ski for Vermont

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 

Male, 6ft, 150lbs.  I am an advanced ex racer who skis fast and aggressively.  I am looking for a ski that I can use most days in Vermont (less than 6 inches powder, most likely chop or hardpack) to rip the groomers and the glades/bumps.  I have Volkl Bridges (full rocker, 98) and Kendos (no rocker, 89) and Liberty Double Helixes (tip rocker, 121).  The Bridges are perfect glade/soft snow skis, but the no camber makes ice and choppy conditions less fun.  I love the Kendos, but the full camber and 20meter turn radius makes them extra work in the glades.  I was thinking about either:

 

Line Prophet 90

 

or

 

Atomic Alibi

 

What do you think might work best?  Any other ideas?

 

 

Thanks.

post #2 of 28

If you intend to keep the two that you have, you don't need to buy anything, you have it all covered.

 

Assuming that you will get rid of one or both of the skis you have (and are considering '13-'14 models)

 

If you intend to dump the Kendo......go for a Blizzard Brahma (it is better than the Kendo at just about everything)

If you intend to dump the Bridge......the P-98 would be a good call along with Atomic Alibi or Ritual

If you intend to dump both...............all the above skis as well as the P-90 would do.

 

If you are considering 2014-'15 skis, there are other new ones to consider.

 

SJ

post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply!  I know that I don't need another pair but I have a chance to get the prophets cheap, and was curious how it compares to others in its category.  I was not looking at 14-15 skis, but out of curiosity, what would you consider? 

post #4 of 28
If you can find the nonrockered prophet 90 on eBay you will like them a lot I think. The newer ones are a bit softer, but are still a good all around ski that actually likes to carve. Prophet 98 is worth a look too. Those skis are the first rocketed skis I have really liked on hard snow.
post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 

Cool thanks for the reply.

post #6 of 28

If you want another skis, why don't you buy skis that are hardpack specific?

Like a G-Power or a i.speed or a slalom ski?

post #7 of 28
Thread Starter 

I figured that I wouldn't find better carvers than my FIS Slalom and GS skis.  I figured Id have stiff, medium and soft all mt. skis with the kendo, prophet and bridge.  However, I am open to your suggestions about hardpack specific skis-(the Kendo has been my go-to for hardpack this season).   I tend to like quick turning, powerful, energetic skis the best.  I thought the prophet would fit this best for the days in-between true hardpack and deeper powder (most days in VT).   Let me know what you would recommend.

post #8 of 28

You are right, nothing will beat those fis sl and gs skis on hardpack! But it also depend of what you want to do on those days... Me? I tend to spend most of the morning on the hardpack with dedicated skis for that ( radical 9sl or rebel i.speed)... but then, I like to get my "detuned gs skis" or else to still do hardpack but mixed with some bumps and maybe some skied out trees ( with speed course ti, speed cross, tigershark 10 feet if you prefer smaller radius, even rtm81 if you want wicked grip and don't mind on-piste full rocker feel)... So, skis that are more versatile but still fun on hard pack (good edge grip)...

 

Kendo, magnum 8.5, Brahma, I keep for days following some snow dump ( nice snow with icy patchs) or days with softer snow...

post #9 of 28

SL skis are my go to all mountain carving skis. GS skis gives me better stability and off pist ski properties but on a groomer where I spend most of my time anyway they are to fast. Sounds to me like you have lots of skis fitting the bill.

post #10 of 28
Any comments on the head supershape speed? Seems like it might fit.
post #11 of 28
Despite what people in here are posting, a narrow ski is not what you want for what you listed in your original post. Anytime you hear "GS ski" and trees you should run away! An actual GS ski has a >23m sidecut and won't turn well below 30-40mph, there is no way its going to do well in trees.

Pick something in the 85-90mm range There are tons of skis in that catagory, some more suited to off trail and some on. don't waste your time on a narrow ski that's not suited for off trail skiing.

The p90s or p85s are still a great choice.
Edited by clink83 - 4/8/14 at 8:43am
post #12 of 28
I agree with him ^


OP. do you tune your own skis ?

Are the Kendo's sharp tip to tail ? no de-tuning.
post #13 of 28
Why do you ask?
post #14 of 28
I've heard a lot about the Rossignal experience 88 too. It looks like a ski I would be ok replacing my p90# with.
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

Despite what people in here are posting, a narrow ski is not what you want for what you listed in your original post. Anytime you hear "GS ski" and trees you should run away! An actual GS ski has a >23m sidecut and won't turn well below 30-40mph, there is no way its going to do well in trees.

Pick something in the 85-90mm range There are tons of skis in that catagory, some more suited to off trail and some on. don't waste your time on a narrow ski that's not suited for off trail skiing.

The p90s or p85s are still a great choice.

That's why I said detuned gs skis! Ex.: speed course ti has a 18 m radius in 184 ( 17 in 178)...

post #16 of 28

How about the Atomic NOMAD BLACKEYE TI? Should fit the bill.

post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

That's why I said detuned gs skis! Ex.: speed course ti has a 18 m radius in 184 ( 17 in 178)...

 

Yes, I was also not really suggesting FIS GS skis. Regular off the shelf GS skis at 17-20m R.

post #18 of 28
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Why do you ask?

Want to know if he knows the sharp tip to tail.

 

I pretty happy with my Kendo's. I've become one who believes your not getting the best tune from a shop.

post #19 of 28
Mine are sharp tip to tail , 1/3 tune from a shop. Wish I knew how to tune now, haven't done it in 20 years myself
post #20 of 28
Thread Starter 

Agreed.  Thanks.

post #21 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

I agree with him ^


OP. do you tune your own skis ?

Are the Kendo's sharp tip to tail ? no de-tuning.

They are sharp tip to tail, and the are the model with no rocker.  I only tune my own skis when I can borrow tools, but I have a ski tech that hooks them up real nice.

post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post

Mine are sharp tip to tail , 1/3 tune from a shop. Wish I knew how to tune now, haven't done it in 20 years myself

 



It's easy to tune, you have done it before, you can do it again.
post #23 of 28
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They are sharp tip to tail, and the are the model with no rocker.  I only tune my own skis when I can borrow tools, but I have a ski tech that hooks them up real nice.

 



At your weight, are the Kendo's are 170cm ?
post #24 of 28

I have pre-rocker kendo's... and the edge hold is way better than the Brahma IMO.  Also better for opening up long turns at speed.  But the Brahma's would be significantly better in tight trees.

post #25 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
 

How about the Atomic NOMAD BLACKEYE TI? Should fit the bill.

This looks awesome.  If I sell my Kendos, I will look into these.  Have you skied the Nordica Fire Arrows?  Can anyone compare the two?

post #26 of 28
It doesn't matter if its an FIS GS ski or a cheater GS ski, its still the wrong tool for off piste skiing.
post #27 of 28
yes I'll probably buy equipment I really want to play around with the half degree and three verses the one in thre
I am 185 on 177s
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by levy1 View Post

Mine are sharp tip to tail , 1/3 tune from a shop. Wish I knew how to tune now, haven't done it in 20 years myself

 



It's easy to tune, you have done it before, you can do it again.
post #28 of 28
At 185 that sounds right. I'm 195

Still waiting to hear from ilovetoski to see what lenght he's on.
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