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Bindings mounted improperly?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hello,  I'm new here... and fairly new to skiing and gear selection.  I picked up a pair of 12/13 opus on ebay a week ago, no bindings.  They are used and have been mounted with bindings one time.  After reading quite a bit on the web about where to get them mounted, i purchased a pair of bindings at the local shop and asked  them to mount them at the reccomended mid sole mark on the skis.  I picked them up yesterday, clicked my boots in and noticed the mid sole line on the boot and ski did not match up.  The mid sole mark on the boot is 2cm back from the mark on the ski (towards the tale).  I went back to the store to inquire.  I spoke with a tech, who said that the old binding drill holes probably interfered with where they could mount the new binding (he could not find the person who did the work though).  Is this likely, to me it seems that whoever mounted them may have installed them where they thought was best?  Would 2cm be about what it would take to clear the old holes and mount the bindings properly?  I can't say what the old binding were, the new ones are salomon sth2 16...  It seems as though a shop would tell you that they couldn't mount your skis the way you asked when you picked them up, if it was not a mistake.  The only answer I got was from someone who did not mount the skis, and I have gone back twice now to talk to the store.  I'm looking for some advice as to if this is acceptable.  Up to this point I have been calm and have not gotten angry, but am wondering if this is common practice.  The tech said that the -2cm mounting should not be noticeable, and made it seem as though it was not worth mentioning.  This is my question, is he right?  (the only one who would really know about the mounting, and reason for deviation from my request is the tech who did it.  The store doesn't seem to care to find out what the tech thinks, and I guess that is the real problem.)  Sorry for the long post.  If anybody has any suggestions I'd appreciate it. Maybe this isn't poor customer service, but I'm starting to think it is.


post #2 of 11
Go ski them before you get bent. You might like them.
post #3 of 11

2 cm is noticeable, very noticeable to me if I'm skiing them.  2 cm too far back is not a good thing if you are skiing boiler plate and hard pack most of the time; for that skiing you might prefer 2 cm forward.  If you are in deeper softer snow you might just find them not as easy to control if you are two cm back, but not much of  a problem.


Ski them first.


(I would take them off and look at the evidence, but as you had them shop mounted, you might not be technically proficient to safely un-mount- remount:dunno)

post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the advice.  I was able to ski them yesterday on the groomers in hardpack and they worked fine.  When I purchased these skis, I was planning on using them for powder days.   I probably won't get the chance to ski them again untill december. Our mountain closes sunday and I probably won't be up again.  After thinking about this a while, I have figured out what would  make me happy.  I'd like to hear what the person that mounted them reasoning was for not going with what I requested.  If it was a mistake and they mis-mounted them, Id like them installed where I requested.  If not and they mounted them as best they could, well thats fine, I did bring pre-drilled skis in.  I guess at this point I'm not sure if they'll be honest with me.  All I've been told is that the old mount "probably" effected their choice.  I'd just like to know what happened.

As far as pulling bindings off of skis safely, I have done that before.  But have never re-mounted them.  If i was to pull the toe piece off and check the holes, I could hypothetically and safely resecure in the same holes?   That might be the only way to really know what happened.  


In summary, if they would of told me they couldn't mount the skis where I wanted at some point during this process that would have been fine.  Getting home and realizing it off by 2cm, leads me to believe the tech made a mistake.  Now all I want to know is what happened, and the shop has only hypothetically answered my question.  I'd say poor customer service is the verdict so far.  I'll probably go elsewhere for service in the future.  I'll enjoy the opus's for a while next season, before I try and move the binding.


hey Ghost, let me know what you think, if I could safely "safely un-mount- remount" in the same binding holes that would allow me to know if I could ride these at the manufacturers recommended line in the future?

post #5 of 11
If they worked fine on groomers at -2, they'll be absolutely fine in powder. Mounting aft generally makes a ski feel a bit slower to initiate. some skis aft helps with stability. As a rule of thumb, holes need to be offset by about 1cm. Skis with metal underfoot can be .6~.7cm.

Yes, they should have given you a quick call to ask/explain the choice they made before drilling, but if they're skiing well for you...
post #6 of 11

I agree that if you're happy with the way they're skiing, there's no reason to worry about it at this point. But if you have other shop options, I'd probably go elsewhere in the future.  IMO, the shop should have run it by you before choosing to mount in a different location.  The fact that it worked out ok in the end doesn't excuse that.

post #7 of 11

It could have also been that the mid sole mark on the ski was wrong.  Bad line on ski graphics happens more than you'd think.  Shops usually measure themselves rather than going by the line.  No worries if they ski fine but the only clear answer would come from the person that actually mounted the bindings as to hole conflict, bad mark on ski, or just plain -2 instead of on the line.

post #8 of 11
Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

It could have also been that the mid sole mark on the ski was wrong.  Bad line on ski graphics happens more than you'd think.  Shops usually measure themselves rather than going by the line.  No worries if they ski fine but the only clear answer would come from the person that actually mounted the bindings as to hole conflict, bad mark on ski, or just plain -2 instead of on the line.

I was going to say this.  

Its possible that the mark on the ski wasn't correct and the shop was competent enough to actually get out a tape measure and do it right. 


Ski 'em and enjoy 'em. 

post #9 of 11

Marko is absolutely right.  If they were good for you on hard pack they will be good in powder.  If I were choosing between too far forward or too far back for a powder ski, I would choose too far back.

Just ski them and forgetaboutit.  Too bad they didn't communicate better.

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the responses everyone.  I appreciate everyones opinions.

post #11 of 11

I'm late to the conversation but thought I'd throw out this info for anyone looking for more info about mounting a ski that has already been drilled.


a) a shop should let you know if they have to deviate significantly from the instructions (I would where I work) and


b) you can get a lot closer than 2 cms to old holes using helicoils: http://www.helicoil.in/. These are metal inserts that are put in the ski after drilling and tapping a larger than normal hole and inserting the helicoil. The screws are screwed into them. They are pretty bomber and I've used them with no adverse affect where the helicoil placement overlapped the old hole.


If you choose to unmounts your bindings to take a peek, use some waterproof wood glue before you put the screws back in and be sure to turn the screws backwards until you feel the thread line up with the threads in the ski. This will preserve the strength of the original hole.


While you have the binding off, you may want to put your name on the ski, under the binding, with permanent marker. It can help in identifiying lost or stolen gear: 'Officer, take that binding off and my name will be there' can be pretty convincing in determining prior ownership.


Edit: I agree that if you like the way they are mounted after skiing on them, don't fret it. Back of center is better for powder, too, up to a point.

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