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post #391 of 418
I just figured out when you become an expert.
Beginner: and... I didn't even fall the whole one week ski trip. And I took a lesson.
Expert: man what a season, didn't miss a single powder day and beat the crap out of myself with all those damn falls. I learned a lot this past season.
post #392 of 418
There are self proclaimed experts and then there are true experts who don't beat the cap out of themselves falling. One can be legitimately called expert, the other still has a way to go before earning that title. An occasional fall is one thing but claiming falls as some measure of expertise? Not in my world.
post #393 of 418
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Originally Posted by MT Skull View Post

I made a bunch of mogul skiing videos back in the day. Everyone who participated got a lot of enjoyment out of watching themselves, and the other skiers. The folks I worked with seemed less impressed until I showed them the crash reel.

Funny how that works. Human nature; everybody loves a train-wreck.


Thanks for reminding me what we were talking about.  I can remember remembering such slow speed falls in soft snow years ago.  Unfortunately when I hear the word "Fall", it conjures up more recent memories, and they involve  high speeds, brocken bones, dislocations and months of recovery time. 

post #394 of 418
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Originally Posted by justanotherskipro View Post

There are self proclaimed experts and then there are true experts who don't beat the cap out of themselves falling. One can be legitimately called expert, the other still has a way to go before earning that title. An occasional fall is one thing but claiming falls as some measure of expertise? Not in my world.

Let's measure like this. When was the last time ones skis left the snow surface on purpose??
And not to rack them.
post #395 of 418
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Originally Posted by justanotherskipro View Post

There are self proclaimed experts and then there are true experts who don't beat the cap out of themselves falling. One can be legitimately called expert, the other still has a way to go before earning that title. An occasional fall is one thing but claiming falls as some measure of expertise? Not in my world.

 

:bs:

 

If we had a poll and asked people to list the top 20 names right now in freeskiing, I guarantee you every name on that list had some big wipeouts last season.  What a ridiculous thing to say.  And no one said the falls were claims of expertise.

post #396 of 418

It's raining and I'm bored... so here's the best fall I could dig up from my limited video.  It's far from spectacular, but I think confirms my feeling it's worth getting good at falling if you ski difficult terrain aggressively.

 

This is from Hole-in-the-wall chute at Mary Jane.  

 

Here I am lining up to drop into the next section of the chute carrying a little speed:

 

Oh crap, my tails got hung up on the snow behind me:

 

Trying to remember how Mikaela did that inside ski trick:

 

And, I'm down:

 

Back up, pretending I meant to do that... and remembering there is a big cliff on the other side of those ropes, yikes:

 

You can watch the video here:

 

If you ski difficult terrain like that, you are going to have surprises... unless, maybe, you pick your way down like a grandma.  (No offense meant to grandmas, but ninnies are off limits in this thread :))

 

Feel free to MA me to pieces, but I feel pretty good about my falling ability thanks to years of practice!  


Edited by tball - 7/29/14 at 4:12pm
post #397 of 418
Tball...No MA needed. Your on rossingnols. Enough said.
post #398 of 418
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Originally Posted by james123 View Post

Tball...No MA needed. Your on rossingnols. Enough said.

 

I hope that's a good thing!  I like those Sickles so much I just bought a backup pair!

 

Edit: need to remember possible thread diversion: "do good skiers hit rocks?"  :) 

post #399 of 418
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Originally Posted by tball View Post

I hope that's a good thing!  I like those Sickles so much I just bought a backup pair!

Edit: need to remember possible thread diversion: "do good skiers hit rocks?"  smile.gif  
Yes, but if you're hitting them skiing directly, you'll rarely pull an edge out.

That little hip-check barely qualifies as a fall. Nice skiing.
post #400 of 418
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Originally Posted by MT Skull View Post

That little hip-check barely qualifies as a fall. Nice skiing.

 

Thanks!   I do think if I wasn't so well practiced with falls and near-falls over the years that probably would have ended worse.  You can get pretty good at falling, or hopefully recovering before falling, but it takes practice like anything else.   I still had some pretty good falls this year, just no video of them unfortunately.

post #401 of 418
^I call that move the outrigger. Canoes is tipsy; outriggers help keep 'em upright.
post #402 of 418
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

 

Thanks!   I do think if I wasn't so well practiced with falls and near-falls over the years that probably would have ended worse.  You can get pretty good at falling, or hopefully recovering before falling, but it takes practice like anything else.   I still had some pretty good falls this year, just no video of them unfortunately.

 

I like the way you bounce back up and just carry on. I've always envied the ability of snowboarders to recover and ride away without a care. You give me hope.

post #403 of 418

Kind of agree with JASP's last point. The goal is to crush it, not be crushed by it.

 

This might belong here; thread needs a little levity at this point IMO.

 

post #404 of 418
^^^ excellent!! That vid from Xtranormal has been missing since they went out of business and offline well over a year ago. True internet tragedy It hadn't been on youtube either. Glad it turned up.

I see Old Spice is now running tv commercials using those voices.

Makes this. ____ thread worth it.
post #405 of 418

lol.  "Told you, you are a snowboarder."

post #406 of 418

"Blow sh*t up like a powder gangster!"  

 

Great line that captures the pow day mindset, whatever you are riding :D

post #407 of 418

"They make powder so easy, I look like the smoothest of operators."

 

Got myself into a little trouble with Loveland Patrol a couple of years ago, and created/posted this to get my pass back:

 

 

Hard to top the original, but some people got a chuckle out of it anyway. Some credit should probably be given to my inspiration; the brilliant "Truth about Powder Skis", the Jerky Boys, and everyone who's had the misfortune of riding a lift with me, only to be anonymously quoted, and plagiarized.

 

Tog, this isn't the first merit-less question I've seen get discussed beyond its usefulness since joining epic, but it's Summer, so I though it only fair to play along. 

post #408 of 418
That's pretty good. Do you have feeliobabar's other mastepiece from. Xtranormal, "The truth about Back Country" ?
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Tog, this isn't the first merit-less question I've seen get discussed beyond its usefulness since joining epic, but it's Summer, so I though it only fair to play along. 
it's not the question that lacks merit. The level or bloviating, pontificating, and indignation is matched only by the extinct helmet threads.
post #409 of 418
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

That's pretty good. Do you have feeliobabar's other mastepiece from. Xtranormal, "The truth about Back Country" ?
it's not the question that lacks merit. The level or bloviating, pontificating, and indignation is matched only by the extinct helmet threads.

I've seen "The Truth about Back Country", but can't find it on YouTube anymore. Heh, it was good enough to get my pass back, and that's what's important.

 

I'm probably guilty of a fair amount of bloviating and pontificating, but hopefully keep the indignation in check. 

post #410 of 418
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

That's pretty good. Do you have feeliobabar's other mastepiece from. Xtranormal, "The truth about Back Country" ?
it's not the question that lacks merit. The level or bloviating, pontificating, and indignation is matched only by the extinct helmet threads.

 

It's Better on One Leg .... gone gone gone. :-(

post #411 of 418
Yes, the disappearance of Xtranormal was truly tragic because of those two "Truth about..." vids. Xtranormal's demise came shortly ? before google's cancelling of their sms phone number and other stuff lookup service. I discovered that at the Denver airport trying to get a phone # the month they bagged it. So annoying, that was a great service. No wifi or dumb ass browsers needed. Just text and ye shall receive. It could work with the barest of connections or the dumbest of phones.
post #412 of 418

I wondering how Jackson hole correlates the conservative attitude of their Instructional Staff to falling, to hosting a week of fantasy back country skiing with the TGR pros? I'm presuming that the resort has the same level of liability in both cases, but would have to have a different level of expectation for falling.

 

Jackson Hole - Fantasy Week for Skiers

Fantasy Week for Skiers New This Winter 

 

 There seems to be a disconnect between the two attitudes given that the Fantasy Week is not just a guided tour, but a learning experience.

post #413 of 418
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Originally Posted by MT Skull View Post
 

Got myself into a little trouble with Loveland Patrol a couple of years ago, and created/posted this to get my pass back:

 

....

 

"You looked like a drunk chimpanzee trying to rollerblade down a gravel road"

 

I'll have to remember that one. :rotflmao:

 

_____________

 

 

On the topic of this very important thread, I find that I fall when I am trying to make big changes in my skiing while getting used to a new sort of balance. Falls provide instant feedback that you are doing something wrong, and I usually learn as a result. For instance, this fall told me quite clearly that I was not flexing my inside leg enough, resulting in it becoming loaded and my loss of outside ski balance:

 

 

There are falls that result from a clear error, such as mine above, but other times sh*t just happens like in tball's post. If you aren't prepared for that possibility, you shouldn't be skiing. 

post #414 of 418

look at that flex on the inside ski! :O 

post #415 of 418
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Originally Posted by jzamp View Post
 

look at that flex on the inside ski! :O 

 

Haha yeah, going down at ~50 is not very kind to one's body or equipment. I remember trying to hold the outside ski up somewhat once I knew I was going down to avoid trashing my tune and pants. The ski was fine though. 

 

 

I had one of the worst crashes of my life on that same trail that weekend, sadly that one is not on video. Race netting gives you a sense of security that can be a bad thing, evidently. 

post #416 of 418
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Originally Posted by MrGolfAnalogy View Post
 

I wondering how Jackson hole correlates the conservative attitude of their Instructional Staff to falling, to hosting a week of fantasy back country skiing with the TGR pros? I'm presuming that the resort has the same level of liability in both cases, but would have to have a different level of expectation for falling.

 

Jackson Hole - Fantasy Week for Skiers

Fantasy Week for Skiers New This Winter 

 

 There seems to be a disconnect between the two attitudes given that the Fantasy Week is not just a guided tour, but a learning experience.

 

Where did you get the idea that the JH instructional staff is so conservative about falling?

post #417 of 418
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post
 

 

Where did you get the idea that the JH instructional staff is so conservative about falling?

 

Sorry, I edited my "if" out by accident and changed the context. I was just trying to highlight the contrast between an institutional fear off falling and host events that may increase the risk of falling. Did not mean to suggest that JHR resort has that view, the only connecting being their hosting of the event. My bad.

post #418 of 418

Over on TGR Sage Cattabriga-Alosa hosted a QA thread.  Someone asked him about crashes and it made me think of this thread.  Here's what he said...

 

"I crash often, mostly little hang ups, or stunt gone wrong, a lot of controlled falls where its easier to go down sooner than later. when its soft its all good. In ak this year I had hang ups, or tumbles, or close calls on almost every line. Conditions were a lot different to last year where I skied 4 weeks with out crashing at fantasy camp."

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