Originally Posted by L&AirC
Isn't that similar to saying "how can I find out har far my knee can twist until I tear my ACL"?
Originally Posted by jzamp
So how do you find your limit if you never actually see it?
Because the only way not to fall is skiing conservatively. If you are pushing you will eventually push too hard, and it is GOOD.
I'm with JASP's and segbrown on this. The fear of falling is pretty inhibiting. Many if us here have posted about it post surgery.
I also think there is a difference between falling and "pulling out". As you are learning something at a ahigher skill set, you may very well get to a point that either exceeds your comfort or ability; more than likely because you just arrived in uncharted territory. I started using a slack line last year. Jumping off when is started losing my balance is different from staying on until I fell off. I kept doing that until I could stand on, then walk a step or two and eventually several steps. That is what I mean by pulling out. Learning to ski on one ski and possibly putting the lifted ski down to regain your balance over not putting it down to see where you fall.
Same with moguls. I didn't start skiing them until I fell hoping to get further the next time. Do one or two then ski out. Then two or three, three or four etc.. A progression of successes is what you learn from and lessens fear, faster than doing something and repeatedly falling.
No it's not. In fact, it's quite different.
Originally Posted by justanotherskipro
The myth of alway skiing aggressively (line and movements) ignores the all to real fact that even in competition there are times to be aggressive and times to be conservative
. That line is always shifting as the mountain in front of you changes.
So bringing this back to learning, starting more conservative and grooving new moves is again the path the world's best practice. That may not be glamorous enough for some but I would strongly question their understanding of the learning process.
Rehearsal (preparation) meets situation (opportunity) and success happens. It is not an accident when people like Shiffren pull out a white pass recovery like she did in the Olympics.
I completely disagree. If we are talking about lines maybe, yes... there are times where a more conservative line yields better times, but if you are racing the attitude is always the same: PUSH.
If not, you risk not only to be slow but to hurt yourself. If there's a big jump, and hard turn, injected ice, whatever you must be able to commit 100% and believe that you will not crash. That comes from aggressiveness, and confidence.
Where is the confidence communing from? It comes from having done the same thing over and over again and knowing 100% that you can make it stick. That, you can only know if you know how much you can push. And to know that you must know where your limit is. Which leads back to the whole falling => learning argument.
If you rehearse everything dialed down to a conservative 80% you WILL be skiing at 80%. If you are willing to go over 100% and crash you'll know what you can do and what you can't. (yes i know some argue slow is smooth, smooth is fast. But that slow is control and not taking unnecessary risks, not actually going slow)
You talk about Shiffrin, I'll raise you Bode. How is he able to take lines than nobody else even thinks are possible? Surely it's not by training/racing/skiing conservatively.
One final thing, I know some fear the consequences of falling, but you must remember that we are talking about a controlled environment. Meaning you slightly push the envelope of you skill bubble. It doesn't mean go all out on a 100ft kicker and pray for the best. It's a big difference, and if you are still afraid of it, maybe you shouldn't be outside. ;)