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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

Hi guys! It's been at least 10 years since I last posted here! But it's time - way past time - for new skis, so ... (Oops - can't edit the title typo!) [Mod Note: fixed it for you.]

 

I'm 65, 5'7", 165 lbs, and I started skiing in 1960. I only get to ski 5 or 6 days a year now, exclusively in NH and VT. I bought Atomic BetaRace 920's (180/62) in 2000, and I've been skiing on them since then. Best skis I've ever owned. In the last month I've demoed a few pairs of new skis - never did that before - what fun! I was told that I should be looking at all-mountain skis for more versatility. The BR920's are (still) great carving at moderately high speed on smooth, steep hardpack - which is mostly what I do, but they're a bit of a chore in mixed terrain and snow conditions. These demos were conducted on moderately steep, smooth, and quite firm groomers - again, my normal environment.

 

Blizzard Brahma (173/88): Nice skis, and the added width didn't throw me as much as I had expected, but they seemed to have a too low a speed limit on very firm snow. I was a bit puzzled, because they are highly regarded. Maybe I was skiing them 'wrong', but whatever - not the ski for me.

 

Nordica NRGy80 (169/80): Only got to do one run. Very easy to turn, but I really didn't get a chance to get a feel for how they perform when skied aggressively.

 

Fischer Motive 86 (175/86): Not even on my radar prior to testing, but I liked these the best. They felt like wider softer GS skis. Nice rebound from the tail. Best of the day at high-speed stability and hard snow edge grip. (I think I like skis with some metal in them; they were also the longest I tried.) 

 

Nordica Steadfast (170/90): Becuase on paper they seemed like the one to get, and since they (being last year's model) weren't available on the day of the demos, I rented a pair for a day 2 weeks later. They did everything I asked them to do, but they didn't seem to be particularly enthusiastic about it. Aptly named, I'd say, very businesslike. If I had them I'd keep them, but I didn't want to buy them. So, I figured I'd go with the Fischer Motive 86s in 175. (168 would be too short.)

 

Then it hit me – why was I focusing on all-mountain skis? While I’d like a bit more mixed-snow versatility than my current skis, I do ski 80% of the time on smooth, steep, hardpack. I don’t do the bumps, and I rarely do trees, but I like speed and precision. I actually want a ski that can carve a variety of turn shapes and feels like a detuned racing ski on the hardpack, but isn’t total basket case in crud or shallow powder. So, without having tried them, I’m convinced that I want a pair of Fischer Progressor 900’s (170/75), which I'd actually identified a year ago as likely being my next pair of skis.

 

So that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it! (And, alas, I won't be able to demo anything else before I buy.) But go ahead - take your best shot - it looks like I won't be able to find a pair of 2014-15's (the newer ones have a touch of tip rocker) to buy until the fall anyway!

post #2 of 19

Ummmmm..................what is your question here?

 

SJ

post #3 of 19

Sounds like you're trying to decide between the Motive 86 and the Progressor 900.  I think you would be happy with either.  The P900 is going to be more of a carver, while the M86 is a more versatile hard-snow oriented ski.  Pick one.

post #4 of 19
Do you ski in the spring time ?

If not, pick the one that is more for firm snow carving.

A lot of us love the spring time on the wider skis. That's one reason we liek the All Mountain skis.

WIth a good tune, a all mountain skis can carve a nice arc.

Oh, 168cm is a nice length for you. May be even 163cm in some skis.
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies (and for fixing the typo in the title). SJ - No question was being asked, really, I was just sharing my experiences and thought process. I think Jim H. nailed it, and I pick the P900, though it would be nice to get both! Max - do you really think I'd be happy with the M86 in 168 at moderately high speeds? I did ski in the springtime - last Thursday, but the snow was anything but soft! Thanks again.

post #6 of 19

most people who have issues on stiffer rockered all mountain ski with a lack of speed limit are normally pivoting to an edgeset or at least trying to pivot to an edgeset. This causes even the ski with the best edge grip(like the brahma) to totally just skid and chatter.

post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 

Josh, that's interesting! I think I understand. Can you elaborate, please? I'll check back tonight. Thanks.

post #8 of 19

You'll have a blast on pretty much any cheater GS ski or cambered front side carver on midwest and east coast hard pack.  My all mountain skis or mantras come out for fresh snow, powder days or playing in the trees.

 

I don't believe in a single ski to do it all, but if I could choose only two it would be my cheater GS skis for groomers and Mantras or Bonafides for everything else.

post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 

Hmm ... Note to self (I know it's not night yet): Get the Progressor 900's in the fall, and get the new Motive 95's when they become available or shortly thereafter!

Then in 10 years when I turn 75, I can give both pairs away and get a single pair 150 cm long and 150 mm wide ... or 'hover' skis, if they have them perfected yet!

post #10 of 19

I also ski mostly on hardpack.  I really like my Volkl RTM 84s, but I picked up a pair of slalom skis this year and the RTMs hardly get used anymore.  The slalom skis I bought are the Elan SLX and I just love them in hard, icy conditions.

post #11 of 19
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Hmm ... Note to self (I know it's not night yet): Get the Progressor 900's in the fall, and get the new Motive 95's when they become available or shortly thereafter!

Then in 10 years when I turn 75, I can give both pairs away and get a single pair 150 cm long and 150 mm wide ... or 'hover' skis, if they have them perfected yet!

Or get it now at a great price...

http://www.epicski.com/t/126702/fs-fischer-progressor-900-2014-175-cm :rolleyes

post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks Mogsie - that is a great price - but I'm looking for 170's. 

post #13 of 19
Feel your pain. Get the 9009
post #14 of 19
900
post #15 of 19

At 5'7" 165lbs. you should be fine on a 168cm. They are not that much different then a 170cm.

 

I'm 5'11" 195lbs, a few years back I had to ski high end Rossi's in 163cm to have them feel quick edge to edge. All my Volkls were 170cm at that time.

 

My everyday ski is now 177cm, 88mm waist.

 

Oh yea, I'm 59y/o.

post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by Tominator View Post
 

Thanks Mogsie - that is a great price - but I'm looking for 170's. 

I can cut it at the tail or the tip...your choice...:D

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

I can cut it at the tail or the tip...your choice...:D

 

Don't do the tip...its a trick!

post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 

Actually, if you could cut 5 cm out of the middle and super-glue the two halves back together ... !

 

OK, I think we can wrap this one up:

 

1) I'm going to get the P900s in 170 before next season.

 

2) If I decide I might like to have a 2nd pair of skis for softer, deeper, less consistent snow, I'll demo some skis in the mid-90's underfoot next year.

 

Thanks again for all the input!

post #19 of 19

Ditto, at 155, 5/8 on th eP900. Wow. They are sort of hard to find. 

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