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Purchasing the Experience 88 used and moving to CO....

post #1 of 15
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Hey all,

I am 5 foot 9, 176 pounds, a solid intermediate skier(I can ski double blacks, but I tend to be pretty slow on them--I much prefer skiing blue runs and carving turns).

 

I have lived in Portland, OR for a number of years, and have a pair of Atomic Access 171 cm, 100mm underfoot.  The ski has a wood core, and tends to bounce/flap around on hard pack/inconsistent snow conditions.  I think I really need/want a ski that does better on hard pack/groomed stuff, as the thing that I loveI should mention I was able to ski 14 days last year, only four this year so far.

 

In July, I'm moving to Colorado and plan on skiing a bunch while out there.  I skied at Winter Park two days last year with my Access.  The days I was there were sunny and warm, and maybe 3 or 4 days since the last significant snow--but the Access did really well--and the snow I encountered was way more consistent/dry than I'm used to out here in the PNW.

 

I demo'd the Rossignol Experience 88's in the 178 length yesterday and last year--and really enjoyed them--such a different experience than skiing the Access.  I found demo's of the Experience for $350, which seems to be a rad deal.  Here are some questions:

 

1) Would the E 88's serve me well in Colorado?  I figure the Access would be my powder day ski, and The E 88's would be good for other days.  I would buy the E 88''s no question if I stayed in the PNW, not so sure given the move to CO.

 

2) I tried the Volkl RTM 84 mm underfoot at 176 cm length yesterday--and they skied great too.  I actually skied 4 or 5 miles/hr faster (41MPH) in the Volkl's than the Rossignol's...but I was having a hard time deciding if I liked the Volkl's better.  Any reason why the Volkl's would be a faster ski?

 

3)  I haven't seen the demo E88's first-hand, but hope to next weekend.  I'm thinking about putting money down on them to reserve them, as they're likely to go quick at that price.  Any reason I shouldn't buy demo skis? 

 

Thanks!

Matt

post #2 of 15
As for putting money down sight unseen on the demos , that might be a bit risky. You need to know how many days are on the skis. Sometimes demo bindings can add additional heft to the ski.

I think the Experience 88 is a really good ski. My buddy bought 2 pair he liked them so much , preferring them to his Kastle MX 88 he is very close to your height and weight as well. I skied the 88 a few runs and thought it was a terrific ski .

Pretty tight turning radius and very responsive .
post #3 of 15
I demoed a pair of E88 for a morning a couple weeks ago in Colorado and enjoyed them. I didn't get to try them on anything deeper than about 4 inches, but they were fun on the groomers. It seems speed is important to you and I can say they like speed. According to Ski Tracks I hit 50+ mph on 4 runs and 40+ on 10 runs with a top speed of 58.5 mph, and they never felt anything but stable.
post #4 of 15

The Experience is a seriously trick ski, the engineering is quite sano, the tips look full camber until you flatten the camber then you can see a nice low splay.  This gives you fast initiation on the hardpack while attenuating the input in in the soft stuff.

 

The RTM is more of a noncamber ski, they like to pivot and surf.

 

If you like pop and lively action, camber(E88) will win your day.  If you would rather shift your COM over the ski in a crossover/under style in a smooth transfer of edges, no camber (RTM) is your pair.

 

If you like a carver on the packed the E88 is the ticket, if you like to pivot and smear on a playful platform offpiste, the RTM will be your flavor.

post #5 of 15

I own a pair of E88 and love them, I use to race and they ski like a fast carving GS ski, but they handle crud well and even up to a 1 1/2 of powder without any major issues. Sure there are other skis in the 100-130 range that will do much better in deep powder. Very stable ski as high speeds, I hope Rossignol keeps these in there line for awhile as these are my ski of Choice, but I just picked up some Blizzard Brahmas so we will see next year. 

post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by QuickTurner View Post

I own a pair of E88 and love them, I use to race and they ski like a fast carving GS ski, but they handle crud well and even up to a 1 1/2 of powder without any major issues. Sure there are other skis in the 100-130 range that will do much better in deep powder. Very stable ski as high speeds, I hope Rossignol keeps these in there line for awhile as these are my ski of Choice, but I just picked up some Blizzard Brahmas so we will see next year. 

Thanks--that's helpful. How tall are you, how much do you weigh, and what length in the E88s did you end up with? What level skier are you, what kind of terrain do you ski with the E88s?
post #7 of 15

I am 6"3 and about 235-240, trying to loose some! I ski the 186cm and love them. I use to race GS and SL but not doing that much anymore so my level is Expert or 3+.  I have skied them on Ice/Crud/Hard Packed and Powder, live in Midwest but take several trips up to Bohemia in MI and several out West as I use to work at Copper Mtn, after college. 

post #8 of 15

I've skied a Mantra and now Bonafide in 180 out here in Colorado and probably wouldn't opt for anything skinier.

The likelyhood of fresh snow is pretty high out here (more than 1.5 anyway ;)  ) and the Blizzard rails groomers and will float you through 'normal' CO conditions. 

 

I'm 5'11 and 190# and the only reason I'm selling the 180s is to size up to 187s. 

 

Think about a bit larger ski than you're considering and you'll be glad you did once you get out here. 

post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by nick1213 View Post

I've skied a Mantra and now Bonafide in 180 out here in Colorado and probably wouldn't opt for anything skinier.
The likelyhood of fresh snow is pretty high out here (more than 1.5 anyway wink.gif  ) and the Blizzard rails groomers and will float you through 'normal' CO conditions. 

I'm 5'11 and 190# and the only reason I'm selling the 180s is to size up to 187s. 

Think about a bit larger ski than you're considering and you'll be glad you did once you get out here. 

By larger you mean wider? I've already got a pair of skis that are more powder oriented, the atomic access, 100 mm wide, 171 long. I wish they were longer now, though.
post #10 of 15

oops, that is what I meant and I overlooked your mention of the Access.  

 

Welcome to CO.

post #11 of 15

Folkfan,  I don't think you'll get much argument against the Rossi's.  I've read nothing but stellar reviews on the Experience series for 3 years running.  In fact, I bought a pair of Experience 98's based on the chatter and a killer deal.  Instantly my favorite and most versatile ski.

 

To your questions:

1) Sure, great ski for CO.  I see them all over and again, nothing but good comments.  Keeping your Access 100's for powder is a fine idea.  Definitely drier snow here, though the upcoming spring skiing conditions will be a lot like you are used to.  Portland is great, but I'd be the last person to talk you out of a move to CO.  Better skiing and some other of the outdoor pursuits; just less ocean.

 

2) Not sure why the speed difference.  I don't know the Volkl's.  They were slightly narrower; then again it could've been the condition of the bottoms and/or wax.  My Exp. 98's are fast; As gmoney said, stable up to my highest level of ability at 60 mph and great at the more typical 40's-50's.  I agree with other comments that they like speed.  To my mind, the faster I ski them, the better they perform.  Responsive and don't like to be on their bottoms, so not the ski to fall asleep in.

 

3) I agree with roundturns as regards to risk.  Is the down money refundable if you aren't happy with the condition of the skis?  It should be.  Any decent seller out here will want to make you happy.  If not, go elsewhere.  They may indeed sell fast, but I'd bet you could find the same deal with a bit of looking.  The rental bindings will add some heft, but there is one advantage.  You can try moving the binding a bit forward and back (seems to be a common topic with this ski).  I moved mine forward 1.5cm and like them there.  Better turn initiation and better "grab" by the front of the ski.  I'm probably on  the light side for this ski at 165lbs, which may be why I did better forward.  Experimenting (get guidance if you need it) can be a good thing.  No reason not to buy demos if they're in good shape and the price is right.  I've done well enough that way to get a few pair for what one would cost new.  Let's me have powders skis, quick-turners, etc.

 

That's my more than 2 cents worth.  Had to chime in based on my experience with my Experience.  Great comments and advice in the other replies.  Good luck!  

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Some other good info, I currently have a pair of Blizzard Brahma I picked up for a great deal, I was trying to get a pair of Bonafide since they more are geared to more soft/powder snow conditions.  I haven't tried the Brahma's yet as I just picked them up.  But most of my skis with the exception of my Rossignol FIS SL racing skis (165cm) all my skis are 180cm or above. The 88mm width will do out West or East and does well in up to about 1 1/2 of snow. If you want deeper powder ski then I would look for some thing in the 100mm range.  As I stated before the EX 88 are great skis and I would gladly buy another pair just to keep as a back up. 

 

Volkl Mantra very good Ski

Blizzard Bonafide great Ski

Rossignol 98 I would have bought a pair of these if I lived out West. Since I am in the good old Midwest the 88 was the one I went with, and they ski like a fast turning GS ski in any conditions. 

post #13 of 15

I have the Rossi E88 in 178 length, have had it for 2 years and love the ski. I was skiing the Atomic Beta Ride and is also a great ski for very quick turns. The Rossi is a wider ski so a little slower on the flat but it is also a very quick turning ski. It is a great all mountain ski more versatile than the Atomic was. I live in Calif and mostly ski at Mammoth and have also skied it in Utah. I have mostly skied it on hard packed because of our ski conditions the last 2 years. I think it is great all mountains ski and i'm very happy with it.  

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Originally Posted by marcus33 View Post

I have the Rossi E88 in 178 length, have had it for 2 years and love the ski. I was skiing the Atomic Beta Ride and is also a great ski for very quick turns. The Rossi is a wider ski so a little slower on the flat but it is also a very quick turning ski. It is a great all mountain ski more versatile than the Atomic was. I live in Calif and mostly ski at Mammoth and have also skied it in Utah. I have mostly skied it on hard packed because of our ski conditions the last 2 years. I think it is great all mountains ski and i'm very happy with it.  

Thanks! I bought the 170 cm Experienxe 88. I demoed both the 170 and 178s, the 178s on two different days. The 178s were a fun exciting ski, but I found they required more work, and I was more hesitant on steeper terrain. The 170s just felt more fluid down steeper stuff, and also were fun on mellow stuff too.

Marcus, what is your height, weight, and skiing ability? What terrain do you ski on?
post #15 of 15

I'm 5-7 162 lbs and ski mostly black diamonds and blue runs. I could go down a size in length as you did and I think I would still be very happy with the ski. It is a great ski and very popular. I have never talked to anyone that skis it that has not loved it. I think you will be very happy with choice. 

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