Originally Posted by Bode Klammer
That's not possible. PMTS adn PSIA are not equivalent. PSIA is an organisation that designed to identify everything there is ot learn about ski teaching, and distribute that knowledge to its members.
That is what they are supposed to be doing but that is definitely not what they are doing effectively.
PMTS is a proprietary program, which trains and licences instructors to follow a particular set of exercises.
Proprietary? Compared to what? What makes PSIA any less proprietary?
Just for the record, PMTS does not educate about a particular set of "exercises". Particular movements and skills, yes.
It sets limits on what an instructor presents. If an instructor adds anything, it's not PMTS. HH has said as much.
Can you please explain what those limits are? Do you honestly think PSIA doesn't also impose limits on what instructors can teach? If so then you haven't been to a cert exam lately. At least HH explains clearly in writing what he believes are good movements and skill components that makes up good skiing, then ensures that his coaches are coaching towards those goals.
All the PMTS exercises are used by PSIA instructors.
I have seen some drills from some of harb's written materials used occasionally by PSIA instructors, but not often and not "all". I have seen people fail PSIA exams due to presenting a tipping focus rather then a rotary/steering focus. Please Bk, PSIA folks are equally closed minded in their own way. The difference is that PSIA does not have documented standards so it always becomes a guessing game for up and coming PSIA instructors.
The national president showed some of them to me, and referred to HH by name several times.
Good to know. But again it's not the drills and exercises we are talking about.
If HH hadn't used PSIA bashing as a market differentiation strategy, more instructors might give him credit for what he has accomplished.
No argument there! That is why I don't associate with them as a group. Nonetheless a wise man can still look beyond that bias and learn from his system. If you choose to ignore the details of what they say about skiing, which is usually the case with PSIAers 99% of the time, then your emotions are blinding you into ignorance. Just because he uses shameless marketing ploys and passes bad karma around like a child with stomach flu, doesn't invalidate his genius about skiing that can be learned from.
The PSIA problem is that, while it is led by excellent teachers and skiers, it has some 25,000 members who don't always get the the message.
Is that not what we are talking about now? Improving the message and delivery to those 25,000 members? You seem to want to blame the education of instructors on the resorts for paying low, or the instructors themselves for not "becoming" something better then they are. But low quality instructors and instructing, low quality skiing from instructors, low exam pass rates, etc all of those problems are the result of inadequate training from PSIA and the top level trainers you are praising. Whatever they are doing or not doing to cross train their 25,000 peers is apparently not sufficient. Blame falls on the leadership.
Tha twill not change until the ski industry treats instructors as valuable professionals.
Chicken or the egg? Maybe we have to become valuable professionals before we can be treated that way. I'm not saying the industry will, they are usually about the money, but that is a cop out statement BK. PSIA should be training instructors to be the best instructors they can be. What the industry pays is irrelevant to that mission. What I hear you saying is that PSIA only has to present their minimal message to instructors and if the resorts don't pick up the rest of the responsibility for training their instructors or giving them enough money to get good on their own through trial and error then it's out of PSIA's hands. Well what is PSIA around for then?
PSIA is the body that is not training instructors effectively.
Most instructors (especially in the East) are part timers with limited professional teaching or coaching background, and often barely intermediate skiing skills. Instructor wages have barely increased since before the 1970's, and the industry discounts and perks available to instructors have decreased in value as well. PSIA has little control of that, and there's no point in blaming PSIA for every mediocre lesson or failed program provided by a ski school that that was looking only to minimise payroll.
No arguments there but that is outside this discussion.