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I've read that the '15 117 Autos will be 10% stiffer than last year's model, which I really loved.
I'm afraid the '15 stiffer version will loose some of the '14 ski's ability in chop/crud bumps and in uneven off piste.
I liked the way the '14s handled bumps and chop, and didn't experience catchiness, except one time at high speed when I got flat on them in an icy spot instead of slightly on edge.
This ski was designed for a couple of crazy good light weight super skiers. It seems to have stability problems for some skiers -- heavier guys?
I demoed the Automatic in two lengths, the 179 and 186. I really liked the longer ski, demoed it twice. Almost bought a pair and am still considering it hard. It would be the longest ski I've ever had (180 and 182 are other lengths I do have).
I'm a lighter weight, (near?) expert skier in Colo., and for me the Cochise doesn't work: it's stable at speed but just planky, not a great carve/edge for me, and I only liked it in crud, not fresh powder.
Maybe because of my weight, the 186 Auto was great in both powder and chop/crud.
At the time, I got a pair of '14 Super 7s because of the wonderful feel in deep powder turns, for me slightly better than the Auto that way, especially in the a.m. and also in tight spaces, like powder bumps (a favorite of mine) or glades.
But what the longer Auto did for me was get incredible in powder day p.m. conditions especially, in broken snow, crud of various hardness, soft bumps with chop/crud. I just discovered a different gear in myself when I was on that longer Auto in resort powder p.m. conditions, especially in bumps, where I was skiing with much more speed, ease and authority, taking two bump intervals, popping off tops, using that longer length in a way that I don't really understand; except in those p.m. chop/crud conditions I was much more free of the lines dictated by the troughs.
I wonder if you or some other Epic person experienced something like what I did with the longer Autos. Even if I don't get them, I definitely want to get a ski that does what those Autos do for me. If my description makes any sense to you, I'd be very open to suggestions.
The new '15 109 and 117 Auto skis have definitely complicated things for me, in a good way, hopefully.