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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

The Rx130's are the first new pair of boots that I purchased in 5 or 6 seasons. My old boots were Nordica Speed machine 12's and were a great boot with comfortable fit and and terrific performance. I had pretty much gotten everything out of them that I felt I could get and the fit was getting sloppy and I was in the mood for new boots instead of just a liner. My local shop recommended the RX's for fit and performance. When it comes to the fit they were right on. I have never, in over 40 years had a better feeling, fitting boot. What I was not prepared for is the softness in the flex. A 130 is a 130, right? On my JJ's,  they are great because the ski requires the skier to be in the exact center of the ski. Whenever I go back to my older frontside ski's however, I am unable to pressure the tips any where near as well as the old boots. I did not under stand progressive flex as well as I should have. Are there any suggestions for improving the flex pattern or am I going to have to replace the old Top Fuels on groomer days. Love the fit and warm at -12 in Montana. No sign of leaks after 6 or seven days.

post #2 of 16

I would compare the old boots to the new, and compare cuff angle, foot board angle, and cuff canting to make sure they aren't wildly different if you still have your old boots. A 130 flex should power that ski fine, so its either technique, or fit, or a mix of both. A 130 flex overlap boot with "progressive flex" just means that you have some softness before it firms up, that should change your skiing for the better, not the worse.

post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by Terry S View Post
What I was not prepared for is the softness in the flex. A 130 is a 130, right? 

No. Each brand has its own scale, and even lines with a brand can vary. AT boots are famous for inflated flex ratings. IME the Langes flex soft in the shop or on slope when it's warm, but stiffen up significantly when they get cold. If you want to make the 130 stiffer - and I know some big guys, as in north of 200, who rock the RX and RS 130's, have never had issues with them being too soft - you could always get an Intuition Power Wrap, which adds about 5 pts of flex and is warmer and better fitting. Or order the RS liner from the factory, which is a bit denser, producing a stiffer feel. 

 

But I wonder if it's more about getting used to the boot flex. I find them a bit more linear than some brands, which I like, YMMV. Also, as ^^^, check the ramp, etc. Modern boots are more upright, suspect you've gotten used to being moved forward over your bindings by your old Nordies, these may either require change in technique or ramp. 

post #4 of 16
That is something that I forgot, and beyond caught, is that if you're skiing those in spring temps they will be really soft. My dobermanns do that too. You could throw your boot shells in the freezer to test that if you really were curious.
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies.  The weather was really cold the last trip and I felt like I was going to have to press my knee to the ski to pressure the groomer ski.  I will keep adjusting and see what kind of changes I will need to make to the technique. They feel hugely different to date and I did not anticipate that.  I probably would have stayed with the Nordica's had I known. Thanks again.

post #6 of 16
I wonder if they are to stiff, not allowing you to get forward.

I have been in the RX120 since early Dec this season, I took the top screw out of the back of the boot to soften it 6%. Do the RX130's have that same feature ?

I would also ask about your skill level. I feel no difference in how these boots drive my skis and tip feel from my Tecnica's. I do feel I can finish the turn better in these boots.
post #7 of 16

One easy thing to try is adding a couple of layers of duct tape under the toe.  Slalom skiers used to call that "gas pedal."

FWIW I saw Tommy Moe skiing a couple of years ago at a fund raiser.  He had the RX130, but one of the bolts in back was removed to soften them.

 

BK

post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 

Based on the feed back that I am receiving, I am going to assume user error. I am headed to Big Sky for the end of season and I will keep fiddling with them. I have been so happy with the fit and comfort, but confused by the flex pattern. I will keep adjusting until I figure them out. Thanks to all for the feedback.

post #9 of 16
What is your body position when your skiing, front seat or back seat ?

Do you see the tips of your skis in the bottom of the view out of your goggles ?

Are your hands always forward and in view most of the time ?

Does your inside hand drop behind you ?

Is you pelvis over the arch of your feet?

Are you skiing ahead of your skis?
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 

I think that I am typically hands up and ahead and feeling a little pressure on the tongue of the boot, against my shins.  Try to keep the upper body facing down the fall line. You got to be a little ahead of center at speed, I think.

Thanks

post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by Bode Klammer View Post

One easy thing to try is adding a couple of layers of duct tape under the toe.  Slalom skiers used to call that "gas pedal."
FWIW I saw Tommy Moe skiing a couple of years ago at a fund raiser.  He had the RX130, but one of the bolts in back was removed to soften them.

BK
Ah yes, interfering with your binding function to get your boots to fit right, that's a great idea.

If you gave your old boots look at the boot boards..weren't speed machines based off the dobermanns? If so, you might have a boot with less ramp angle. I skied in falcons before my dobermanns, and side by side they have the same forward lean, but with more ramp in the dobermanns I ski markedly better.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by Terry S View Post

I think that I am typically hands up and ahead and feeling a little pressure on the tongue of the boot, against my shins.  Try to keep the upper body facing down the fall line. You got to be a little ahead of center at speed, I think.



Thanks


 



Yes being ahead of your skis is the goal. Getting there, all the time, is the problem. I'm constantly aware of my body position and what all the parts are doing weather it's high speed arch's or skiing slow with the GF.

As long as your focus is on good body position, I'm still wondering if the boots are to stiff ?

Oh, do you have custom foot beds ?
post #13 of 16

Terry S I might have missed this, but how tall are you and what do you weigh? 

post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 

Height 5'11  Weight  220

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post


Ah yes, interfering with your binding function to get your boots to fit right, that's a great idea.

If you gave your old boots look at the boot boards..weren't speed machines based off the dobermanns? If so, you might have a boot with less ramp angle. I skied in falcons before my dobermanns, and side by side they have the same forward lean, but with more ramp in the dobermanns I ski markedly better.

He is talking about under the liner on the boot board, not under toe of the boot lug. 

post #16 of 16
Ah, thats not bad. P Other people in other threads have advocated putting it on the boot lug! Stupid, stupid advice in the case of the toe lug.

Considering that the op came from a another stiff boot, the problem probably isn't that the boot is too stiff, its probably that something in the boot is putting him out of alignment. You don't go from one 130 flex to another and end up with a "too stiff boot", whatever that is. A 200lb man can easily collapse a 130 flex boot if he wants.

That's why I keep harping on checking the angle of the boot board, if you're too low in the heel it will place you in the back seat. You'll then have to flex forward and only the top of your shins will contact the boot, which will make it feel soft and not drive the ski well.

I would also say that if you're trying to be in the front of the boot that might be part of the problem too.
Edited by clink83 - 4/2/14 at 12:16pm
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