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Panasonic to compete with GoPro and Contour

post #1 of 24
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Panasonic is coming out with a wearable camera.  Perhaps when it comes out someone can post a review of it.

 

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/03/25/gopro-rival-panasonic-launches-wearable-hx-a500-4k-action-camera#press

 

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Edited by quant2325 - 3/29/14 at 9:15pm
post #2 of 24
Hmm, on one hand I like the separate battery unit, tucked in warm jacket will have a lot better performance than out in -10, but I'm not sure about the thick looking cable.
post #3 of 24
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Hmm, on one hand I like the separate battery unit, tucked in warm jacket will have a lot better performance than out in -10, but I'm not sure about the thick looking cable.

I am not sure about the length of the cable.  I suppose they have or will have mounts for skiing.  Hey, at least it is another option.  

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That looks awful.  Why not just use a contour that has a slightly larger camera (not much) and no ridiculous pack to wear and cable?

 

I don't get it.  Seems like a step in the wrong direction. This would have been revolutionary in 2007...

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That looks awful.  Why not just use a contour that has a slightly larger camera (not much) and no ridiculous pack to wear and cable?

 

I don't get it.  Seems like a step in the wrong direction. This would have been revolutionary in 2007...


The specs claim it is 4x the resolution of Full HD and the lens unit weights only an ounce.   Heck, I am happy with the Contour (sunk cost), but everyone wants better resolution.  I am wondering what kind of helmet or goggle mount they concocted for this thing. Clipping it behind the ear does little for skiers.

post #6 of 24
They need to make the cord much thinner and self retractable.
post #7 of 24

actually, for a serious shooter the separate unit with the lcd is brilliant.  Now you can monitor what you are shooting. 

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Now you can monitor what you are shooting. 

Hugely useful while skiing.
post #9 of 24
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Hugely useful while skiing.

It is when getting the exposure right on the bright snow, or having it tipped the right amount so the tips of the skis get into the photo.  I have the old Contour and you have to guess the exposure and program it ahead of time.  The new stuff all syncs with an iPhone, Android, etc.  The laser beams point and help level it, but you have to guess or need experience with the goggle strap mount to know how to get the ski tips in the photo.  The Panasonic is the easiest to see what is being shot, but is it practical for skiers?  

post #10 of 24
Yea...you have to get a Contour set once for the skier. I don't see that as being much more complex than setting the rearview mirror for the driver. Your position relative to your skis doesn't really change, does it?
post #11 of 24
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Yea...you have to get a Contour set once for the skier. I don't see that as being much more complex than setting the rearview mirror for the driver. Your position relative to your skis doesn't really change, does it?

The problem for me is that I am usually following the kids, and sometimes just skiing by myself.  Unless I use the "Tall" mode on the Contour, it is difficult to see the tips of the skis in powder.  It took experience to get the camera angles just right when following the kids. I could always tilt my head up or down, but  that is worthless without first seeing the exact angle of the camera.   As you know, with the wide angle view you have to get close to someone (or they appear too far away) with using these things.  With the Panasonic I guess a skier could video for a little bit and then check the screen to see if everything is aligned.  Where the battery/LCD unit might get in the way is with the "going up the chairlift" or "I wanna look at myself ski" shots, when the video camera is attached at the end of a ski pole.  

post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post
 

That looks awful.  Why not just use a contour that has a slightly larger camera (not much) and no ridiculous pack to wear and cable?

 

I don't get it.  Seems like a step in the wrong direction. This would have been revolutionary in 2007...


The specs claim it is 4x the resolution of Full HD and the lens unit weights only an ounce.   Heck, I am happy with the Contour (sunk cost), but everyone wants better resolution.  I am wondering what kind of helmet or goggle mount they concocted for this thing. Clipping it behind the ear does little for skiers.

4x the res of Full HD is 4K. Same res that the latest GoPro sports. 

 

Just a guess here, but Panasonic has made remote head camera for MANY years for specialty applications. Probably someone finally said "hey, why the hell aren't we getting in on this outdoorsy camera thing?"

post #13 of 24

One of the reasons go pro footage is so boring is because people just leave them pointing on one direct all the time. If you are mixing some POV with footage from other sources fine, but if the POV is your only camera, mix it up, try pointing it at things and then edit.  Believe me it helps to be able to have a better idea of your frame and composition.  Panasonic makes some great video cameras and I would not be so quick to rush to judgement on this new product.

post #14 of 24
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Now you can monitor what you are shooting. 

 

You do realize you can already do this via bluetooth and your phone with a GoPro, right?

post #15 of 24
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You do realize you can already do this via bluetooth and your phone with a GoPro, right?

not with my phone. lol

post #16 of 24

That cable is silly.   How do you find it when it gets hooked on a tree branch?   I guess Panasonic hasn't heard about the wireless trend Thumbs Down

post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by quant2325 View Post


The specs claim it is 4x the resolution of Full HD and the lens unit weights only an ounce.   Heck, I am happy with the Contour (sunk cost), but everyone wants better resolution.  I am wondering what kind of helmet or goggle mount they concocted for this thing. Clipping it behind the ear does little for skiers.

Panasonic already has an action cam. The HX-A100 came out a year ago, shortly after Sony and JVC entered the market. This one is just the latest iteration, with added 4K capabilities, 4K or Ultra HD being the new high res format that's slowly mixing into the TV/video capture market.

You see, while I've never worked for a ski resort corp., I do follow tech and electronics for a living.

I agree with the form factor sucking - it's like a lower quality VIO, but with the 4K most people wont really need for years. Swing and miss.

And if you're just looking for competition, there are probably two dozen plus action cam brands out there. They just lack the marketing machine of GoPro.
post #18 of 24
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actually, for a serious shooter the separate unit with the lcd is brilliant.  Now you can monitor what you are shooting. 

You can do this with pretty much every modern action cam, usually through Bluetooth so there isn't a stupid cable, which repeats the question: Why the stupid cable, Panasonic?

If you get those overpriced Recon goggles, you can even have a viewfinder next to your eyeball. Or get HD camera goggles from Zeal or Liquid Image and use your eyes as the viewfinder.
post #19 of 24
Also why 4K when the human eye can't discern the extra pixels? Or has that changed wink.gif?
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Also why 4K when the human eye can't discern the extra pixels? Or has that changed wink.gif?

We can discern the extra pixels. It is a function of the size of the display and the viewing distance that determines if you can see a difference. Capturing a higher res image in the camera allows more flexibility and potential sharper viewed image on the back side of the process.

post #21 of 24

Are any cameras using the extra pixels to automatically adjust the camera angle in software to maintain a better horizon?  Kinda image stabilization on steroids.  It would be nice to have an extra 5, 10 or 20 degrees of picture automatically removed to maintain a more consistent horizon.

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That cable is silly.   How do you find it when it gets hooked on a tree branch?   I guess Panasonic hasn't heard about the wireless trend icon13.gif

Well the point of having a cable is to eliminate any extra components and battery in the head, using wireless sorta defeat the point of having a remote body to begin with.
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post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by quant2325 View Post
 

Here comes the GoPro 4:  http://www.diyphotography.net/gopro-4-specs-leaked-soc-maker/

I'm really more interested in seeing how gopro is going to handle what goes around... FW, battery, and the reliability! Unfortunately there is no way to know until you have the final product! 

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