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Jamming my poles into the ground on landings

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

I have noticed that I do this when landing small hops or my "jumps". I say that because my jumps are pretty insignificant. I am guessing that my hands being forward is a good thing, but I occasionally jam my hand or wrist when I come down a little hard. Any advice on proper technique would be appreciated. 

 

TiA

post #2 of 19

Hands forward is good. I usually cock my wrists a bit so that the tips of my poles are back toward my feet. Here's an example (never mind the Superman costume.....long story).

 

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post #3 of 19

4 point landing is usually desirable when landing normal, not sure about landing switch though..

post #4 of 19
Hands forward = good. Pole tips forward = bad.

This is a good thread: http://www.epicski.com/t/126802/how-to-jump-natural-features/0_100

Take a look at those graphics for some good visuals.
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

4 point landing is usually desirable when landing normal, not sure about landing switch though..

Yeah, uh, that will probably never happen.... intentionally!

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm guessing my poles are seeking out the landing and getting there just before the skis. That my be part of the problem. IF I get in another day, I'll try angling the poles back a bit more, so that they're not 90 deg or worse with the surface.

post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

4 point landing is usually desirable when landing normal, not sure about landing switch though..

Any advice on how to soften the pole plant?

post #8 of 19
Open the wrist.
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by sooneron View Post
 

Any advice on how to soften the pole plant?


Don't point the pole tips in front of your hands like you would when setting up a turn.  Have your hands forward but pole tips a little behind your hands so they don't rebound back at you.

post #10 of 19

most people either have poles that are to long for them or have been told to use poles that are to long for them. do you have any pictures of you skiing. I personally like poles just above waist level so that its easier to keep my hands in front in shorts turns in all terrain this fall about 4 inch shorter than most standard ways of measuring poles. 

 

I do not land 4 point landing basically n oone does anymore

post #11 of 19

This sounds like a very strange problem.  I'm guessing Josh is right and your poles are too long.

post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

I do not land 4 point landing basically n oone does anymore

:bs:

 

Shorter poles is a good suggestion for bumps and park though..

 

post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 do you have any pictures of you skiing. I personally like poles just above waist level so that its easier to keep my hands in front in shorts turns in all terrain this fall about 4 inch shorter than most standard ways of measuring poles. 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have any pics, maybe this POV test vid would help?

 

 

 

It's hard to tell from the angle, I usually go with the 90 degree rule for poles - Elbow bent at 90 deg holding the pole with it touching the ground.

post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by sooneron View Post
 

 

I don't have any pics, maybe this POV test vid would help?

 

 

 

It's hard to tell from the angle, I usually go with the 90 degree rule for poles - Elbow bent at 90 deg holding the pole with it touching the ground.


You look to be almost exaggerating 'hands forward' too much. I don't really know how to explain it in, it just doesn't seem natural (looks forced). The hand you are planting with should have a slight lead too it, I can definitely see how you are having the issue of your poles getting jammed in on landings, the way you are positioning your hands isn't going to work well on landings, unless you decide to start using some shorter poles (not saying you should). Pole plants should be very fluid and almost effortless looking.

 

Check out Lindahl's POV, in my opinion he has some of the better pole plants that you can see on POV. Obviously different terrain, but you'll get the idea.

 

 


Edited by tsk94 - 10/9/14 at 5:41pm
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by sooneron View Post
 

 

I don't have any pics, maybe this POV test vid would help?

 

 

 

It's hard to tell from the angle, I usually go with the 90 degree rule for poles - Elbow bent at 90 deg holding the pole with it touching the ground.

 

So, I'm hoping that this POV is shot with a chest mount. Even if it is, your hands are way too forward. You seem to be stretching your arms way far out in front of you, and your poles are in a position where the tips of the poles are angled forward as you ski. That's bad. Not only for technique, but for safety. If your pole digs in unexpectedly, its going to be going right into your ribcage. And that hurts. Relax your upper body some, your elbows should be even with, maybe slightly forward of your torso. The tips of your poles should be behind your hands for most of your turn.

post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by sooneron View Post
 

 

I don't have any pics, maybe this POV test vid would help?

 

 

 

It's hard to tell from the angle, I usually go with the 90 degree rule for poles - Elbow bent at 90 deg holding the pole with it touching the ground.

 

Being a visual type of guy, I made a couple drawings. First, your stance. Stick figure on left is how it appears you are skiing. Stick figure on right is more where your neutral stance should be. Keep in mind, neutral stance doesn't mean that's where you'll be at all times while skiing.

 


The other thing I noticed when watching your video closer, you are struggling with pole plants. The plant is inconsistent. Sometimes it's there, sometimes its not. The bigger issue is that when you do perform a pole plant, it is with the wrong pole. You are planting the uphill pole, when you should be planting the downhill pole. The general way to remember that is that you are going to plant your pole at the end of your old turn/ at the start of the new turn. Then you plant your downhill pole, and start your turn around that pole. In the drawing below, the dots represent pole plants. Red are where yours are, green is where they should be.

 

post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 

Wow! Thanks! I had thought about planning to take a private lesson at the start of the season, looks like it's a done deal now.

post #18 of 19

I like what Freeski is saying and I see pretty much the same things.  What I would add is that holding the poles that way is a defensive action.  I can't see your body in your POV video, but I have never seen someone who held their poles like that who wasn't also sitting back and/or moving uphill away from the poles.  It's like there is a scary predator below you and you are trying to ward it off with your poles.  The pole gets held forward and the body moves away.  This is "bad" because someday you may find yourself falling forward and your pole will catch and you will punch yourself in the face, maybe breaking your sunglasses and giving you a black eye.  Ask me how I learned this :eek.  Hold them like illustrated in freeskis post and plant them like he suggests.  Instead of your body moving away from the pole, follow the pole swing into the turn with your CM.  When the pole engages, ski past it "in your turn" instead of "turning around it".  It would look something like the first stick figure when the pole is engaging and like the second stick figure as you ski past your pole WHILE your hand stays in pretty much the same place.  The biggest difference in the two images is in the wrist.

post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post
 

This is "bad" because someday you may find yourself falling forward and your pole will catch and you will punch yourself in the face, maybe breaking your sunglasses and giving you a black eye.  

 

What? you mean like this?

 

Me. Tuckerman's 2005. Pole to the face. Notice the rubber marks on my goggles. Ripped open my eyebrow about 2 inches. 5 butterfly closures and half a tube of superglue later, I was able to keep skiing. Pretty awesome scar though.

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