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post #61 of 85

Truth is, the most common ski-pole accident is by far, skier's thumb.  This is followed by injuries to the shoulder and arm from the ski pole basket being caught in a fence or tree and yanking the arm of the skier.  You could also blame this on using straps.  Skiers caught in tree wells or avalanches are in danger of having their hands tied in the straps as well.  There are some anecdotal stories of impalement, but they are extremely rare, basket or no-basket. 

 

Sure, a pole basket will prevent a through and through spearing, but really, how many people are really impaled by a ski pole?  So few that there are no accident stats on it.  It is RARE!  This is a non-issue, to the extent that the claimed rules requiring baskets may not even be able to be documented.  Show me the rule.  Pole baskets are used to prevent the pole from being sucked in to the snow and twisting your arm.  Poles don't even have a point any more, they have a sharp circular edge. 

 

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm wearing a Kevlar vest from now on.  Gawd knows, Rita is out there, and she is gonna git ya.  You could put your eye out.

 

post #62 of 85

It's people putting my eye out that worry me.  Idiots standing in lift lines using their poles to make points, to indicate things on the hill, to jab each other, etc.  Winging them around as they get on lifts (twice today), keeping the straps on their wrists as they get on and off chairs, jamming them between my skis as they get off, etc.  I feel like the last few weeks I've been stabbed and poked more than any time in the last decade.  There's idiots on the cat tracks "pushing" themselves down the hill (like, use some wax, dude) and flinging the pole tips HIGH in the air behind them.  

 

Didn't anyone's mother tell them not to run with scissors and to KEEP THE POLE TIPS BELOW YOUR WAIST AT ALL TIMES??????

post #63 of 85
Spring break?
post #64 of 85
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Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
 

Tit-for-tatting about details aside, I guess my view is just pretty pragmatic here...even if the safety differences between with-basket and without-basket poles is extremely minute, and the chances of impalement are vanishingly small, and poles with baskets are only slightly more visible, and the skiing experience is only improved in certain conditions, why not fix it if it's extremely easy and costs nothing to do so?

Hey, it's taken Rita 57 years to loose all her baskets. Let's at least acknowledge the accomplishment before we alert patrol at Loon. Maybe a proclamation by the Governor?

 

Sure, pole goring's are rare, but it's like leaving kitchen knives around the living room unsheathed. Creepy.

 

The next horror movie about a chair lift will feature Rita's pole dropped from the lift, sticks in snow point up, and .......

 

On the bright side, that movie where they were stuck on the lift and there were wolves....with Rita's poles they could've hunted those wolves from the chair. At least two. So....how many in a pack?

post #65 of 85
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
 

Truth is, the most common ski-pole accident is by far, skier's thumb.  This is followed by injuries to the shoulder and arm from the ski pole basket being caught in a fence or tree and yanking the arm of the skier.  You could also blame this on using straps.  Skiers caught in tree wells or avalanches are in danger of having their hands tied in the straps as well.  There are some anecdotal stories of impalement, but they are extremely rare, basket or no-basket.

 

Sure, a pole basket will prevent a through and through spearing, but really, how many people are really impaled by a ski pole?  So few that there are no accident stats on it.  It is RARE!  This is a non-issue, to the extent that the claimed rules requiring baskets may not even be able to be documented.  Show me the rule.  Pole baskets are used to prevent the pole from being sucked in to the snow and twisting your arm.  Poles don't even have a point any more, they have a sharp circular edge.

 

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm wearing a Kevlar vest from now on.  Gawd knows, Rita is out there, and she is gonna git ya.  You could put your eye out.

 

It's not a non-issue, it just doesn't seem to come up much.

 

I've been skiing almost as long as Rita, and can remember many mountains that I skied at in the early 70's (Vernon Valley, Great Gorge, Huntah, etc.) having signs posted stating baskets were required on poles, and seeing patrollers enforce it. Also, safety straps, or runaway devices on skis, but now I'm dating myself.:o

 

I've got some new Black Daimond poles that have a nice pointy tip, and some older Kermas that have the circular type you mention. Either could probably do equal damage under the right (admittedly rare) circumstances. Regardless; just because something doesn't exist in your realm of experience, doesn't make it a non-issue, or even terribly accurate.

 

The advice about not wearing pole straps in trees or avy terrain is spot-on, although we did have one skier get caught and completely buried on Loveland Pass this winter who was wearing straps, but no beacon. A split-boarder saw what appeared to be a recent slide/debris field, and decided to investigate. While conducting a beacon search, he noticed just the tip of a pole sticking up out of the debris. When he pulled on the pole, he found it was attached to a wrist/person. According to the trapped skier, the boarder uncovered him just as he was losing consciousness. I'm not saying that's any kind of evidence to support wearing straps in avy terrain, but the end result does kind of run contrary to conventional wisdom.

 

Speaking of running contrary to conventional wisdom; if the OP can show proof of one ski pole manufacturer that sells a basketless ski pole (trekking poles don't count), I still probably won't agree with her, but would be interested to hear the meanie instructor's reaction should she present him with a link.

 

The other reason you mentioned for having baskets, (punching through the snow and getting arm yanked) should be justification enough for the OP, even if she rejects the jousting argument, but she doesn't seem open to any other viewpoint except her own, so I doubt she'll accept yours either.

post #66 of 85

Well said Mt Skull.  Interesting points on exceptions to the conventional wisdom.

 

FWIW, I am not endorsing the use of ski poles without baskets, I just think there is relatively little evidence to support the notion that baskets should be viewed as a safety device for poles. Something about this thread seems a bit specious given Rita appears to be an experienced skier and can afford baskets.  I used similar poles for a while, and actually lost the lower segment of a pole in deep powder when it was caught under deep snow or some object.  I never did find that pole, but was able to buy a new lower segment and bigger baskets. :cool

post #67 of 85

Speaking as a fencer (Epee) getting poked by thin metal blades is a common occurrence and do true stabbings occur on a  regular basis (even when the blades break).  No, but I have personally seen it happen to a friend of mine (within an 1/8" of death, literally :eek).  So the risk is there even with all the effort made to ensure that it doesn't happen.

 

The basket, is there to prevent over insertion into the snow (likely the primary concern when they were first added to the ski pole), but secondarily it does provide the added protection should a fluke accident occur.

 

So for the small cost of a basket for that little bit of peace of mind (be it mine or yours or someone else) what is the big deal?   :dunno

post #68 of 85
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Originally Posted by rkt10 View Post

See, I view ski pole stabbing of any kind as an extremely rare occurrence. So I reject the notion that a basket would affect the outcome. If they were common, then poles would be eliminated by the skiing community as they serve no vital purpose.
I think the addition of the basket is tradition... a throwback to the days of ungroomed snow. Now they're just decor.
I think I'll stash a couple of ersatz baskets made of cardboard in case another instructor feels the need to interfere.

 

Is $20 on new baskets really a big deal when it comes to your safety and others?
 

You can't take part in a sanctioned bike race without bar ends in place to prevent taking a core sample out of a competitor in a crash.  I'd rather not see a ski pole shoved completely though a innocent skier.

post #69 of 85

 

There you go. Pole basket.

post #70 of 85
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Originally Posted by trailtrimmer View Post


Is $20 on new baskets really a big deal when it comes to your safety and others?


Yes.


You overpaid 4x as much, my new poles cost less than $20. biggrin.gif
post #71 of 85

Speaking of being speared with a ski pole...lol

 

I was doing a 4 max lesson in Deer Valley this year. I did a total yardsale coming down Solid Muldoon or Big Stick...slid a long way. 

So, a random nice guy above me grabs one of my poles to bring to me. Problem was, he a very new (looking) skier, very awkward, and he's skiing barely in control, with my pole pointed straight at me..i seriously thought he was going to kill me, with my own pole. It almost had the look of intention...hah.

 

 He makes an evasive maneuver at the last second, and just throws my pole in my general direction...lol. Scariest moment on the hill this year.

post #72 of 85
I tried to find the post inthis thread, but maybe it got editted or deleted, but someone brought up that no baskets is more than the cost, it represents  you've given up on finding soft snow, which is super sad in itself.  

If Mr. Golf Analogy were here, there's a classic humor golf essay/story by david owen about golfers who spend their time on the course looking for lost golf balls rather then worrying about their game.  They've given up on playing and are just as excited to find treasures then to play the game.  They've changed from hunters to gatherers.  They're just as happy with their 6' long ball retrievers pulling up waterlogged titlelists over paying attention to their game.

The interview by the Dutch speed skating coach included the awesome verbal beatdown on whether the US suits were their problem in a similar way.  It's not the suits, but it is the suits, from the perspective of if you've lost confidence or have doubts, then you will lose.  Once you start having the doubts, it will self-fulfill and do exactly what you've don't want them to do.
 
 
That being said, now that the OP or any other basketless afficionados has taken time to read all these posts:
 
It's now in your head that you're going to end up stabbing someone with their poles.  It's going to eat away at you and you will consciously or unconsciously keep looking at their poles as cursed implements and affect your skiing.  
The tick tick tick of your poleplants will be the countdown clock until the demon instruments fulfill their bloodlust.
 
End scene: "The Tell-tale Ski-pole"
 
You've been inceptioned, now just get the baskets to clear the doubts and finally put your conscious to rest.

Edited by raytseng - 3/28/14 at 11:38am
post #73 of 85
Thread Starter 
Remember, I'm using hiking poles and not ski poles, so it's not just a matter of buying baskets.
post #74 of 85
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Originally Posted by rkt10 View Post

Remember, I'm using hiking poles and not ski poles, so it's not just a matter of buying baskets.

Why not? If it's from any of the major brands they all have replacement. Or do you mean your poles don't come with basket and have no way of adding any?
post #75 of 85
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Originally Posted by rkt10 View Post

Remember, I'm using hiking poles and not ski poles, so it's not just a matter of buying baskets.

I see the confusion here,  somebody told you "s" was a bad letter and had you remove it and use "hi" instead.  You have to start hanging around with the right crowd.

 

It really explains the problem....really ;)  :D.

post #76 of 85
The last basket I bought - last year - cost all of three dollars. Go to Amazon, there are numerous options for baskets to go on hiking poles. I'm sure ANY local sporting goods store could help you out, and really gyp you for $8, including installation.
post #77 of 85
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Originally Posted by rkt10 View Post

Remember, I'm using hiking poles and not ski poles, so it's not just a matter of buying baskets.
Well, there's your problem then; improper equipment. BD has some fancy trekking poles that fold up and deploy like an avy probe. Says right on their site that they don't accept snow baskets, but they do come with something like a 1" basket that would probably be useless on anything but boilerplate.

What you need then, if you can't find baskets for your trekking poles, is ski poles. A cheap pair will probably cost around $35.00

Just make sure you don't buy snowshoeing poles; they are completely different than ski poles, and if you try to ski with them, everyone will DIE!!!
post #78 of 85
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Originally Posted by MT Skull View Post

What you need then, if you can't find baskets for your trekking poles, is ski poles. A cheap pair will probably cost around $35.00
 

Using ski poles to go skiing with.  interesting concept...

post #79 of 85

Go to lost and found. I just bought a very fancy swix pole for $0.25 at a lost and found fundraiser. Yeah it's only one. But it's a start.

Seriously, pair of poles could be had for $5.

Your hiking excuse is exceptionally lame. After 57 years you've regressed. At this rate next year will have you in Skiwee's. And that program has been gone for like 10 years.

post #80 of 85

My Goode Carbon poles were three bucks at the thrift store.  I don't like them as much as my old school Rossi labeled Kermas but I do use them more and more lately.

post #81 of 85

My (Black Diamond) hiking poles have baskets.

post #82 of 85
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

The last basket I bought - last year - cost all of three dollars. Go to Amazon, there are numerous options for baskets to go on hiking poles. I'm sure ANY local sporting goods store could help you out, and really gyp you for $8, including installation.

I bought two powder baskets from REI for, get this, $5.00.  Not even on sale.

post #83 of 85
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

My Goode Carbon poles were three bucks at the thrift store.  I don't like them as much as my old school Rossi labeled Kermas but I do use them more and more lately.

 

All my ski jackets and pants (with one exception which I regret) have come from thrift shops.  Same for all fleece tops and liners.  All my poles have come from trash (!!) or ski swaps.

Scavenging and bargain shopping are a great way to stay involved in skiing in the summer when it's hot outside.

post #84 of 85
This thread would have been much more effective in June or July....but I suppose it could go on that long.

Just to play along, you can get poles for less thN $20 on EVO.

As for the basket a foot up the pole, probably just busted while they were skiing, I had the same problem. I just went to the rental department to see if I could get a new basket, and they had a butt load of poles that people had left behind, he just gave me a pair to keep.

Also, my new pair of cheap Rossi poles, looks like the baskets don't even screw off which sucks.
Edited by WC68 - 3/30/14 at 11:17am
post #85 of 85

Why pass up a chance to make a statement?

 

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