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Blizzard Bonafide vs. Line Supernatural 100

post #1 of 27
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I was wondering if anybody that got on the brand new Line Supernatural 100 at the Copper SIA demo or any demos this year could give more feedback/details on this ski and also how it directly compares to the Blizzard Bonafide. 

 

Did the demos this year for most the skis in the 98mm-105 category and came out with the Bonafide on top. I wanted to know of anyone's impression of the Line Supernatural 100 and if it would be worth it for me to wait to demo the Line or go ahead and pull the plug on the Bones. I really am intrigued by everything I have read on the Supernatural series, although there isn't much out there, and would be grateful for opinions.

 

I should also mention I probably won't have a chance to ski anymore this season, so I'm really wondering if I should get a good deal on the Bonafide off season or wait for Supernatural. I'm a directional skier interested in the frontside groomer, mashed potato crud, backside performance, and float of the Supernatural in relation to the Bones. Thanks everyone! 

post #2 of 27

I don't know anything about the Line, 

but, regarding the bonafide:

if you checked about 1 week back, there are a lot of good deals for the bones from starthaus and dawgcatching (sponsers and prolific forum gearheads who give great advice).  But stock maybe dwindling now and/or they maybe out.  I put in an order from dawgcatching last week for bonafides.

 

What was your price point where you wanted to pull the trigger?

 

Call around your local shops that you like or want to support and they may have good prices too. 

2 other buddies I've taked to just got bonafides at a straight 50% off msrp at local shops around here in CA.

If you want a ballpark starting price point, where you should begin your negotiations, check out here.  

https://www.skiessentials.com/

 

They have either the bonafide or the bonafide+griffon mounted package.  Final price during checkout is 10% lower from their march madness sale. 
 

disclaimer: i've not bought from skiessentials before, so I have no real endorsement for/against them

post #3 of 27

Bones are cleared out at StartHaus from what I've heard.

post #4 of 27

My guess... and that's with no time in the supernatural is that it's going to be a little more playful than the bonafide which probably will continue to be more of a directional charger compared to the Line ski.

post #5 of 27

The two are very good skis but not remotely the same. The Bonafide is among the 3-4 stiffest skis in this width range and as such, it prefers a skier with reasonable skills and aggressiveness. While an intermediate can ski a Bonafide well enough, some of it's capabilities might be a little wasted. The Line SN 100 is entirely different (but in a good way). This is a ski with a medium overall flex, low rocker, and some judicious taper. Line has hit a great balance with this ski and it is certainly the best ski they've built in a long time.

 

When I buy skis in any given width range, I look for a mix of characteristics. In the 95-100mm range, I might want 3-4 skis on the stiffer side, 3-4 mediums and one or two softish ones. The SN 100 falls in that middle group and is exceptional in its balance. FWIW......the SN 100 was one of my 5-6 standout skis for next year. This is not b/c it is the absolute gnarliest ski in any given category or condition, but rather for the opposite reason. It is among the more balanced skis on the market for next year.

 

SJ

post #6 of 27

FYI, if you decide you want the bones within the next 36 hours or so, check out steep&cheap's "new arrivals: hardgoods" sale. pretty good deal.

post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 

Quote:

 

Originally Posted by raytseng

 

I don't know anything about the Line, 

but, regarding the bonafide:

if you checked about 1 week back, there are a lot of good deals for the bones from starthaus and dawgcatching (sponsers and prolific forum gearheads who give great advice).  But stock maybe dwindling now and/or they maybe out.  I put in an order from dawgcatching last week for bonafides.

 

What was your price point where you wanted to pull the trigger?

 

Call around your local shops that you like or want to support and they may have good prices too. 

2 other buddies I've taked to just got bonafides at a straight 50% off msrp at local shops around here in CA.

If you want a ballpark starting price point, where you should begin your negotiations, check out here.  

https://www.skiessentials.com/

 

They have either the bonafide or the bonafide+griffon mounted package.  Final price during checkout is 10% lower from their march madness sale. 
 

disclaimer: i've not bought from skiessentials before, so I have no real endorsement for/against them

thank you so much for your help, an above and beyond post of great info!

 

i actually missed that great starthaus sale because it was the week i was on the mountain on vacation. when i go i just wanna get away from work, daily grind, etc so i go old school and try to stay off the phone and on the slopes. GREAT TIMING! was glad to hear lots of people got some great gear from that sale. 

 

don't actually know my price point yet as i just decided on wanting to pull the plug on skis, but i really do like your idea of supporting the local shop first so i might head over there first and see what they have left. thanks again for the help and links, definitely worth checking out! 

post #8 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
 

The two are very good skis but not remotely the same. The Bonafide is among the 3-4 stiffest skis in this width range and as such, it prefers a skier with reasonable skills and aggressiveness. While an intermediate can ski a Bonafide well enough, some of it's capabilities might be a little wasted. The Line SN 100 is entirely different (but in a good way). This is a ski with a medium overall flex, low rocker, and some judicious taper. Line has hit a great balance with this ski and it is certainly the best ski they've built in a long time.

 

When I buy skis in any given width range, I look for a mix of characteristics. In the 95-100mm range, I might want 3-4 skis on the stiffer side, 3-4 mediums and one or two softish ones. The SN 100 falls in that middle group and is exceptional in its balance. FWIW......the SN 100 was one of my 5-6 standout skis for next year. This is not b/c it is the absolute gnarliest ski in any given category or condition, but rather for the opposite reason. It is among the more balanced skis on the market for next year.

 

SJ

Geat info as always Jim.

 

One thing I was really impressed with about the Bonafide was how nimble they skied for a 98mm. I had tried several of the other 98mm and thought maybe the waist category was just too much heft and maybe go down to a 89-95mm, but was really impressed when I was lucky enough to come across the Bonafide demo for the first time after 3 years of trying. I thought it skied almost like an 89-95mm with how quick it was, probably my most favorite feature of that ski. Can you touch alittle bit on the SN100, does the "judicious taper" make it ski just as nimble as Bones or quicker (or slower/heftier)?  

 

Also what did you think about the rocker profile in regards to the Bones? was the rise and rocker very similar, or did you find one had more than the other. 

 

When is the release for the Supernatural? Is there going to be an early or July release, or are we looking at Fall '14? Thanks again, always appreciate reading all your posts. 

post #9 of 27

I generally don't use the terms nimble and quick in the same way but in some cases, they may equate to a similar feeling. Before moving on.....a quick disclaimer is in order. I have owned Bonafides non-stop for the last 3 1/2 years (since before they were generally available). Basically, that has been the ski that "lives in my car". I'll probably move on to something else next year, not b/c I have any need to but b/c I think I probably should. There are some other skis that I want to give some long term attention to.

 

The SN is more nimble and tossable than the Bone but somewhat less grippy. The Bone has a higher speed tolerance but the SN is more playful in bumps etc. I guess if you are standing at the top of a steepish bowl in highly mixed conditions, the Bone might be encouraging you to "fix bayonets and attack" the SN might be thinking "lets dance our way down". For all that, the SN is not a noodle or unsubstantial in the way that say the SD 95 is. It is just a little easier going than the Bone which in turn is a little easier going than say a Rossi Ex98.

 

Neither is better than the other......just different.

 

AFAIK the SN is not being pre-launched but I really didn't ask. For us.............September.

 

SJ

post #10 of 27

@SierraJim is the SN much more stable than the old Prophet 98? I found it to be much less ski than the Bonafide, and based on your comparison the SN is not that far behind compared to the Bones.

post #11 of 27

I never found the P-series to be unstable so much as a little overreactive from the tip. (different things by my lexicon) I think that was caused by the the full tip radius/extended sidecut and possibly still carrying a little more forward mount point as a heritage from their very park oriented days. The SN is not materially stiffer than the P-series before it but the taper seems to keep the twitchyness down. The SN also uses an elastomer sidewall which provides way better dampening than one would expect from it's other build attributes.

 

So........yes, for a variety of reasons the SN is rather more stable than the P-series ever was but not from increased stiffness.

 

SJ

post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
 

I never found the P-series to be unstable so much as a little overreactive from the tip. (different things by my lexicon) I think that was caused by the the full tip radius/extended sidecut and possibly still carrying a little more forward mount point as a heritage from their very park oriented days. The SN is not materially stiffer than the P-series before it but the taper seems to keep the twitchyness down. The SN also uses an elastomer sidewall which provides way better dampening than one would expect from it's other build attributes.

 

So........yes, for a variety of reasons the SN is rather more stable than the P-series ever was but not from increased stiffness.

 

SJ

Thanks Jim!

 

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post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
 

The two are very good skis but not remotely the same. The Bonafide is among the 3-4 stiffest skis in this width range and as such, it prefers a skier with reasonable skills and aggressiveness. While an intermediate can ski a Bonafide well enough, some of it's capabilities might be a little wasted. The Line SN 100 is entirely different (but in a good way). This is a ski with a medium overall flex, low rocker, and some judicious taper. Line has hit a great balance with this ski and it is certainly the best ski they've built in a long time.

 

When I buy skis in any given width range, I look for a mix of characteristics. In the 95-100mm range, I might want 3-4 skis on the stiffer side, 3-4 mediums and one or two softish ones. The SN 100 falls in that middle group and is exceptional in its balance. FWIW......the SN 100 was one of my 5-6 standout skis for next year. This is not b/c it is the absolute gnarliest ski in any given category or condition, but rather for the opposite reason. It is among the more balanced skis on the market for next year.

 

SJ

 

Hi Jim,

 

Awesome info, and great to be hearing from someone who's done some time on the Supernaturals. I'm targeting these for myself next year and trying to decide between the 100 and 108. I read that the 108 has a stiffer flex, but not sure if that's correct. 

 

I'm 6' 2", 200 lbs, 46 years old. I have been out of skiing for 15 years, but back in the day I lived in Dillon and skied the Basin and Copper every day for a couple seasons, and started skiing when I was 5. I was an aggressive expert skier, but after the layoff, some kids, and some chronic knee issues I'm not the same skier and doubt I ever will be. I guess the difference is probably mostly that I'm avoiding bumps, and spending some time with my kids on the groomers. Still will be charging the steeps and pow, as well as trees. 

I demo'd the Bonafides, and they were nice. Not as ridiculously easy to turn as everyone was saying "new" skis would be (I'd never skied on a shaped ski before this season), but very easy to turn. Felt pretty heavy, and not particularly quick edge to edge in the light bumps, but very solid and very good in the crud and steeps. Great edge hold. 


I'm looking for something with a bit more snap and a bit lighter, and maybe a bit more playful. Would love to hear any thoughts you might have on the choice between the 100 and the 108. I'd assume I'd be going into the longest version they have. Also have thought about the 190 Sir Francis Bacon. 

 

Can't find anyone in Aspen to demo them (heading there next week) but could demo them next year in Tahoe. Thanks!

post #14 of 27

I think Sierra Jim hit the nail on the head with his comments; I too demoed the Supernaturals and thought they were awesome - as though Line took the Prophet and stepped it up a couple of notches ... just as easy turning, more stable at speed, everything the Prophets were but considerably better in every respect. And was especially impressed with its sister ski the SoulMate - fantastic women's ski, the best I have tried.

 

As Jim said, kind of hard to compare Bonifide with SN as the Bonifide is more of an aggressive charger ski and SN a little more casual,  but when pressured it wont let you down.


Edited by Ski Pat Flad - 4/5/14 at 10:35am
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by chrisfoxdesign View Post

Hi Jim,

Awesome info, and great to be hearing from someone who's done some time on the Supernaturals. I'm targeting these for myself next year and trying to decide between the 100 and 108. I read that the 108 has a stiffer flex, but not sure if that's correct. 

I'm 6' 2", 200 lbs, 46 years old. I have been out of skiing for 15 years, but back in the day I lived in Dillon and skied the Basin and Copper every day for a couple seasons, and started skiing when I was 5. I was an aggressive expert skier, but after the layoff, some kids, and some chronic knee issues I'm not the same skier and doubt I ever will be. I guess the difference is probably mostly that I'm avoiding bumps, and spending some time with my kids on the groomers. Still will be charging the steeps and pow, as well as trees. 


I demo'd the Bonafides, and they were nice. Not as ridiculously easy to turn as everyone was saying "new" skis would be (I'd never skied on a shaped ski before this season), but very easy to turn. Felt pretty heavy, and not particularly quick edge to edge in the light bumps, but very solid and very good in the crud and steeps. Great edge hold. 


I'm looking for something with a bit more snap and a bit lighter, and maybe a bit more playful. Would love to hear any thoughts you might have on the choice between the 100 and the 108. I'd assume I'd be going into the longest version they have. Also have thought about the 190 Sir Francis Bacon. 

Can't find anyone in Aspen to demo them (heading there next week) but could demo them next year in Tahoe. Thanks!

I was in a similar situation to you and ended up with Nordica Hell & Backs in 185. They are very light and quick edge to edge, plus stable at speed. Not quite as damp though as the stiffer Bonafide or Mantra. Unfortunately, they are being replaced by the NRGY series next year so you might not have much chance to demo them.

It looks like the site I bought mine at still has some in stock, both flat or with Marker bindings. Skiessentials.com
post #16 of 27
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Bones are cleared out at StartHaus from what I've heard.


They had 3 pairs when I bought one a week before the Mammoth Gathering

Surely long gone now.

Great ski, btw

post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by NewHTbuyer View Post


I was in a similar situation to you and ended up with Nordica Hell & Backs in 185. They are very light and quick edge to edge, plus stable at speed. Not quite as damp though as the stiffer Bonafide or Mantra. Unfortunately, they are being replaced by the NRGY series next year so you might not have much chance to demo them.

It looks like the site I bought mine at still has some in stock, both flat or with Marker bindings. Skiessentials.com

 

My local guy has been recommending those as well, for the same reasons you outline. Considering them for sure. Shouldn't the NRGY 100 be a very similar ski? 

post #18 of 27
I don't know much firsthand about the NRGY series, but reading stuff around here they seemed to have changed it quite a bit from the Hell&Backs. There are a few threads and user reviews on this site that might help.
post #19 of 27

So I'm thinking about replacing my 2013 Line Prophet 98s (186cm) with a pair of Bones.  I love the Prophet 98; it's by far the best ski I've ever owned or demo'd.  I have a little concern that Bonafide might be too stiff, based on reviews, but then again I don't know how big most of the reviewer saying that are.  I'm 6'1" and 195#s and I'm an aggressive skier who skis mostly trees, chutes and bump runs (Mary Jane, CB, Abasin are my fave resorts in CO), the P98 eats up that type of terrain with ease but will still hold an edge screaming down a hard packed groomed run.  I've demo'd the Bramha and Mantras in the past, but they were too short (on mountain Demos always seem to be 179cm or less grrrr). 

 

So far a Large agressive skier are the bones or the SN 100s the way to go?  Demoing the bones will be easy to do but I doubt I'll find a pair of the SN100s

post #20 of 27
Try a 185 cm Nordica Enforcer.
post #21 of 27
There is also the supernatural 92, which everyone seems to forget. Mine are in the shop getting mounted as we speak:)
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post
 

 

2 other buddies I've taked to just got bonafides at a straight 50% off msrp at local shops around here in CA.

 

 

Can you tell us where?  I am in CA and am looking to possibly purchase the Bones

post #23 of 27

^^ Depends, do you have a time machine?

post #24 of 27
Where would be a time machine to just about any shop in april of 2014 or april of 2015. You'll have to call around now
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by dukeryder View Post
 

So I'm thinking about replacing my 2013 Line Prophet 98s (186cm) with a pair of Bones.  I love the Prophet 98; it's by far the best ski I've ever owned or demo'd.  I have a little concern that Bonafide might be too stiff, based on reviews, but then again I don't know how big most of the reviewer saying that are.  I'm 6'1" and 195#s and I'm an aggressive skier who skis mostly trees, chutes and bump runs (Mary Jane, CB, Abasin are my fave resorts in CO), the P98 eats up that type of terrain with ease but will still hold an edge screaming down a hard packed groomed run.  I've demo'd the Bramha and Mantras in the past, but they were too short (on mountain Demos always seem to be 179cm or less grrrr). 

 

So far a Large agressive skier are the bones or the SN 100s the way to go?  Demoing the bones will be easy to do but I doubt I'll find a pair of the SN100s

 

Supernaturals no doubt

post #26 of 27

As someone who has skied the Prophet/Influence for years, and demoed the SN. I have this to say. I spent a day on the Bonafide, and just did not get it. It's pretty much a no brainer that when my Influence 105's die, i will be probably grabbing a SN.

post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by dukeryder View Post
 

So I'm thinking about replacing my 2013 Line Prophet 98s (186cm) with a pair of Bones.  I love the Prophet 98; it's by far the best ski I've ever owned or demo'd.  I have a little concern that Bonafide might be too stiff, based on reviews, but then again I don't know how big most of the reviewer saying that are.  I'm 6'1" and 195#s and I'm an aggressive skier who skis mostly trees, chutes and bump runs (Mary Jane, CB, Abasin are my fave resorts in CO), the P98 eats up that type of terrain with ease but will still hold an edge screaming down a hard packed groomed run.  I've demo'd the Bramha and Mantras in the past, but they were too short (on mountain Demos always seem to be 179cm or less grrrr). 

 

So far a Large agressive skier are the bones or the SN 100s the way to go?  Demoing the bones will be easy to do but I doubt I'll find a pair of the SN100s


so strange, i adore my p98s but got some bones 2 years ago and put the lines away. This year i tried skiing on the blizzards and they felt dead and sluggish and not really a whole lot of fun. I don' know if all the wear i put on them took away the spring or i just don't remember how they skied, ie they dont come alive until 25 mph. I skied the p98 last week in the sierra powder and they just work, maybe a little less stability when really cooking but basically turn on a dime anywhere at most speeds. So i might salvage the bindings off the bones and try out some lines and some of the nordicas.

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