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post #61 of 71
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Atomicman, I would not go as far as talking about beauty here. Just what works. And what works for you is what you should be doing. Different skis perform differently depending on where you place the binding. The more forward you put it the more "rudder" you have at the tail and the better it will hold an edge or a carve. So you will not only be able to put more pressure on the tip of the ski but at the same time also the tail will hold better. However, there is a sweet spot to all of this. A coach of mine did not share these views and was of the opinion that further back is faster.

 

Salomon used to be further forward but now if you try a pair of Salomon race skis they are further back because they are identical to the Atomics. At least that what I've been told. Also that the Nordicas and the Blizzards are identical.

 

Tog, thanks for the IIRC explanation.

I like further back, I am with your coach,. I have no problem with tip pressure! But then again I have always skied German or Austrian product and my "style" may be a product of that!

 

Also the X16 binding I believe has 8 posItions with 4 being the default. You can move the binding forward in the track up to 28mm (2.8 CM) (1.1 inches)  forward from the default position.


Edited by Atomicman - 4/28/14 at 8:45am
post #62 of 71
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I like further back, I am with your coach,. I have no problem with tip pressure! But then again I have always skied German or Austrian product and my "style" may be a product of that!

 

Also the X16 binding I believe has 8 posItions with 4 being the default. You can move the binding forward in the track up to 28mm (2.8 CM) (1.1 inches)  forward from the default position.

 

Thanks for the info. Im going to test the new Atomics next year.

 

BTW, testing racing skis is not that easy. You would have to have a track set up with timing so that nobody else skid the track and the conditions did not change during testing. Then you would compare times, how you liked the ski, a coach objective feedback and comparing video.

post #63 of 71
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Thanks for the info. Im going to test the new Atomics next year.

 

BTW, testing racing skis is not that easy. You would have to have a track set up with timing so that nobody else skid the track and the conditions did not change during testing. Then you would compare times, how you liked the ski, a coach objective feedback and comparing video.

 

TDK, I have found it actually fairly straightforward to evaluate and compare just by timing in the same course ( I use a Freelap system which gives me my time immediately) .  Course degradation is not normally an issue unless you have large numbers running the same course.  In a normal 6-10 training group you can get enough consistency to evaluate.  i start with 2-3 runs on my current ski to set a benchmark then switch to the test skis

post #64 of 71
What is a free lap system
post #65 of 71
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What is a free lap system

 

It is an easy to set up system with a start wand and a finish beam where each athlete uses a special watch that gives you your time instantly when you cross the finish line.  Lets you immediately evaluate the impact of equipment or line/technique as you finish each run

 

http://www.freelapskitiming.com

post #66 of 71

Pretty cool that timing system.

post #67 of 71

bah i hate that thing... I can't never get it to work the way is supposed to. Thumbs Down:mad

post #68 of 71
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bah i hate that thing... I can't never get it to work the way is supposed to. icon13.gifmad.gif

I hear you. Have had some issues in the past but once the watch is set up properly it had been pretty reliable
post #69 of 71

That is really interesting. You guys are at a high level. We appreciate all your information. 

post #70 of 71
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Originally Posted by jzamp View Post

bah i hate that thing... I can't never get it to work the way is supposed to. icon13.gifmad.gif

I hear you. Have had some issues in the past but once the watch is set up properly it had been pretty reliable

Would you consider writing a manual? :D
Last time I used it I spent more time clocking my ride up the chair rather than the one down the hill... lol

post #71 of 71
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TDK, I have found it actually fairly straightforward to evaluate and compare just by timing in the same course ( I use a Freelap system which gives me my time immediately) .  Course degradation is not normally an issue unless you have large numbers running the same course.  In a normal 6-10 training group you can get enough consistency to evaluate.  i start with 2-3 runs on my current ski to set a benchmark then switch to the test skis

 

I tried it at one camp but it did not work. What is the cost?

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