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Question about boot flex from advanced skier

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

I do have a question about the right flex for my body.  I am 43 years old, weigh 150 lbs and am 5'5" tall.  I have a pair of Nordica Fire Arrow F3 (115 flex, size 25.0) from last season with a footbed done which fit me perfectly.  My skiing ability is quite advanced as I can ski down most black runs quite comfortably.  Mogul runs is the only area where I find it extremely challenging.  Also I no longer go very fast or aggressive anymore, and I enjoy making small quick turns and be in absolute control.  I am wondering if the 115 flex is right for me, or for my weight if I went higher in flex whether the new boots would benefit me more.

 

I am thinking even I were to upgrade I am going to stick to the Fire Arrow.  Hopefully I can still make sure of the footbed I got from last year.   Nordica Fire Arrow also has two stiffer models, the F1 (135 flex) and F2 (125 flex).  Alternatively, does any expert here have other suggestions for me?

post #2 of 26
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Originally Posted by ksklo View Post
 

I do have a question about the right flex for my body.  I am 43 years old, weigh 150 lbs and am 5'5" tall.  I have a pair of Nordica Fire Arrow F3 (115 flex, size 25.0) from last season with a footbed done which fit me perfectly.  My skiing ability is quite advanced as I can ski down most black runs quite comfortably.  Mogul runs is the only area where I find it extremely challenging.  Also I no longer go very fast or aggressive anymore, and I enjoy making small quick turns and be in absolute control.  I am wondering if the 115 flex is right for me, or for my weight if I went higher in flex whether the new boots would benefit me more.

 

I am thinking even I were to upgrade I am going to stick to the Fire Arrow.  Hopefully I can still make sure of the footbed I got from last year.   Nordica Fire Arrow also has two stiffer models, the F1 (135 flex) and F2 (125 flex).  Alternatively, does any expert here have other suggestions for me?

kskio: your post was moved to a new thread from a thread in the Beginner Zone.  Hopefully you will get some useful advice.  You might also ask in the Ask The Boot Guys forum where replies will only come from professional boot fitters.

post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks, marznc.  Would you mind moving this thread to the "Ask The Boot Guys" forum instead?

post #4 of 26

So what are you looking for in boots that your current ones don't give you?  Based on your description of your skiing, I cannot see any reason to have stiffer boots and maybe some good reasons to have a softer boot.

post #5 of 26
The firearrow F3 is quite a stiff boot for a 115 flex. At your size, weight, and ability, I'd like think its pretty ideal. Its also one of the laterally stiffest boots around. Trouble in the bumps is more than likely something that will be better helped with some instruction... Its also possible your current boot is a bit stiff for bumps.
post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 

I guess I feel fine most of the time, and I certainly won't blame my inability to master bumps on my boots.  To be honest, I just hate the bright red call-out from my F3, and I am looking at this year's models which have much more conservative colors, especially for both the F1 & F2.  I am just thinking if the extra stiffness would not create other "issues" I may consider taking advantage of the end of season sale and replace my red F3.

post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by ksklo View Post
 

Thanks, marznc.  Would you mind moving this thread to the "Ask The Boot Guys" forum instead?

I suggest you start a separate thread for Ask The Boot Guys since this one already has other posts.

post #8 of 26
Brutal truth... You're rejecting a great boot that fits and does what you want it to do for... color...
Really?frown.gif
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 

No no, I'm just exploring the idea.  I know finding the right boot is difficult and I would not switch unless I know it's going to work.  And that's why I am also only considering the FA right now.

 

It probably sounds stupid but the bright red is really annoying me A LOT!

post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by ksklo View Post

No no, I'm just exploring the idea.  I know finding the right boot is difficult and I would not switch unless I know it's going to work.  And that's why I am also only considering the FA right now.

It probably sounds stupid but the bright red is really annoying me A LOT!

Yes... It does sound... pretty silly. smile.gif
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


Yes... It does sound... pretty silly. smile.gif

Getting a new boot for what $400 or $500 or more $ and going through the break in process because the OP doesn't like the colour doesn't sound silly it sounds stupid or troll like. If your current boots fit and preform well, then buy a can of spray paint instead.

 

Sorry but even if the OP is a girl or a gay getting new boots based on colour is just wrong.

post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

Getting a new boot for what $400 or $500 or more $ and going through the break in process because the OP doesn't like the colour doesn't sound silly it sounds stupid or troll like. If your current boots fit and preform well, then buy a can of spray paint instead.

Sorry but even if the OP is a girl or a gay getting new boots based on colour is just wrong.

Really? rolleyes.gif
Edited by markojp - 3/20/14 at 5:54am
post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post
 

Getting a new boot for what $400 or $500 or more $ and going through the break in process because the OP doesn't like the colour doesn't sound silly it sounds stupid or troll like. If your current boots fit and preform well, then buy a can of spray paint instead.

 

Sorry but even if the OP is a girl or a gay getting new boots based on colour is just wrong.

 

I am not so sure why it bothers you so much if I don't like the color of my boots and am considering to change.  Yes, it may cost me a few hundred $ but that may not be as big a deal to me as it is to someone else.  Many buy new skis every year merely for the new graphics, and does that mean they are gay?  When you buy a car or even a ski jacket you can always pick a style or color, so why can't I do the same with my ski boots?

 

Besides I am only looking into buying the same model, and all I want to know is how the flex would affect the feel.  Obviously if the stiffer flex would give me no benefits then I would not considering switching as I have no other serious complaints about my current boots.

post #14 of 26

The direction DanoT's post is pulling this thread is way off topic.  Thread cleanup on the expansion of this.  Please move away from the social / sexual / political comments of ski gear color.

post #15 of 26

The stiffer the boot the more trouble you will have in the bumps. Jumping to a 125 or 135 will push you around more than anything. Without knowing how you flex your current boots, Going stiffer will not change the fit at all. Most likely, you will be fighting the boots in the bumps. For a solid bump boot you want to be able to flex the boot. Articulation is the key. If you cant bend the boot you cant get the correct extension and flextion you need to carve through the bumps. I won't comment on the idea of changing boots solely on the base of color but it sounds like you will not get any benefit from the switch than that of your style color pallet.   

 

DanoT - You're a tool 

post #16 of 26

Sorry if I offended anyone with my previous posts. Pleas accept my apology.

 

I do appreciate the fact that EpicSki has different sensibilities than say a place like TGR.

post #17 of 26

One thing that almost nobody mentioned is that you can always make a stiff boot softer (some easier than others), but is almost impossible to make a boot that is too soft stiffer.

 

Something to consider.

 

 

Cheers

 

If god wanted us to ski in soft boots we'd all still be skiing soft leather boots :D.

post #18 of 26

I thought I ought to be skiing a stiffer boot when my fitter recommended a 90-110 (adjustable-flex) boot -- a Dalbello cabrio.  He said, "You're not a big guy."  Turns out he was right.  Laterally, the boots are stiff, but the excellent, progressive forward flex has done amazing things for my skiing.  I guess if you're a really high-tip-pressure skier, you might want a stiffer boot -- but for finesse, flex kills it.

post #19 of 26
If you ski with your body over your boots you can flex a very stiff boot easy since your body weight bears on them. If you tend to stand up and skid you will need a softer boot. Its all relative to your body size and skill.

I would almost recommend a three price boot that let's you change the tounges to adjust the flex.
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

If you ski with your body over your boots you can flex a very stiff boot easy since your body weight bears on them. 

 

I'm not sure whether this is true when you have little body weight and not much of a lever.  At any rate, I'm over my skis, carving hard, and these less-stiff boots are dynamite. 

post #21 of 26
I'm not a [####] advocate, but I think HH is pretty correct in this article, and he's a pretty small guy. If nothing else its food for thought. How you ski is really important in selecting boots IMO. I can't ski an upright soft boot at all. I find a 130 boot to be soft I had a friend my size that skied a 90 flex boot, and he skis very upright. Were both 6'4 200+.
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I do think if you want to ski bumps a cab boot is his best choice if they fit, since you can play with the flex.

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post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

I'm not a [####] advocate, but I think HH is pretty correct in this article, and he's a pretty small guy. If nothing else its food for thought. How you ski is really important in selecting boots IMO. I can't ski an upright soft boot at all. I find a 130 boot to be soft I had a friend my size that skied a 90 flex boot, and he skis very upright. Were both 6'4 200+.
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I do think if you want to ski bumps a cab boot is his best choice if they fit, since you can play with the flex.

 

Interesting article (though he needs an editor). 

post #23 of 26

I enjoyed reading that article.  His info is quite good when he avoids ranting against others.

post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

His info is quite good when he avoids ranting against others.

 

I know.  It's a loss, really.  He could have contributed a lot.

post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

I enjoyed reading that article.  His info is quite good when he avoids ranting against others.
Right? I read the [####] forums from time to time for the laughs.

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post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

I'm not a {####] advocate, but I think HH is pretty correct in this article, and he's a pretty small guy. If nothing else its food for thought. How you ski is really important in selecting boots IMO. I can't ski an upright soft boot at all. I find a 130 boot to be soft I had a friend my size that skied a 90 flex boot, and he skis very upright. Were both 6'4 200+.
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I do think if you want to ski bumps a cab boot is his best choice if they fit, since you can play with the flex.


That article rings true for me.  I have two pair of boots, both with extensive fitting work done.  One is 100 flex that fits well, but has what I would call a squshy liner (27.5 size with Salomon Thermo-fit liner.  The other does not have a flex rating, but is much much stiffer, it was the stiffest boot you could buy back in the 80s, with a rock-hard liner that fits like a second skin.

 

The stiff boots are better for me at any speed in any snow condition. 

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