(numbers and bold added by mastersracer)
Originally Posted by clink83 1) How many people master those skills and still skid turns on groomers?
I only know one, and he started skiing in the BC before resort skiing.2) If those skills will the central skill of skiing, we could do away with sidecut because you don't need it.
You can argue over and over, but modern ski equipment is designed to carve, with the exception of the few reverse/reverse boards out there, and anyone who has skied them will tell you they are scary on hard snow, even with good technique. That's kind of an unavoidable problem.3) "Uh my boots are set up to place me in a good position to carve, my skis have a flex pattern and sidecut so they carve, but that's not the main point of skiing them."
That makes a ton of sense.
1) I am pretty sure I have mastered those skills and I am happy to skid turns on groomers. It is a way for me to control my speed. I also am happy to arc some sweet carves. I think these guys are masters of the 4 basic skills and they skid some turns on some groomers: Ted Ligety, Lindsey Vonn, Bode Miller, Herman Maier to name a few.
2) Sidecut has been in skis for decades, if not for centuries. More sidecut, such in many modern skis, makes skiing easier as it allows the edges to engage with less effort; it doesn't mandate carving, though. You are right that we could ski without sidecut, but it would be a lot more difficult, which isn't really conducive to good or fun skiing.
3) The point of skiing was originally survival; a means to get around and hunt. Recreational skiing has developed over the last few centuries and it's purpose has been pleasure. If I was carving every single turn on groomers a) I'd be bored, b) I'd be skiing far faster than the general population and c) I'd be wearing myself out pointlessly to the detriment of staying on the slopes as long as I want to each day. I ski with a lot of energy and get big angles. Big angles require strength. Big angles wear me out faster than skidding angles.
@clink83, my boots and skis are set up to support edging, rotary, balance and pressure, probably similar to yours which appear to be set up solely for carving. One of the things I can do with my gear is carve, but it isn't the ONLY thing. You are free to talk until you are blue in the face about skiing on groomers being about a single type of turn (carve). Please don't.
@bounceswoosh, to get back to expert skiing...
Expert skiing isn't defined by one mastering a specific discipline, such as carving. Carving certainly isn't the end all for enjoyment of skiing on groomed trails. Someone who carves railroad tracks may be an expert, but carving railroad tracks alone doesn't make one an expert in spite of having mastered the four basic skills of skiing.