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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

Skiiers can't be punks... only snowboarders are punks.

 

So... basically a friend (of the guy holding his phone) forgot his season pass on his other jacket.

 

So, the friend just go to the mountain like nothing happened, and uses the lifts sans a pass.

 

They get caught, and my assumption is the guy is not taking it seriously and thus security gets very pissed.

 

security gets fired.

 

 

the security guy when pissed, should just of said, "Your season pass will be null and void"

post #2 of 23
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Originally Posted by tanscrazydaisy View Post
 

Skiiers can't be punks... only snowboarders are punks.

 

So... basically a friend (of the guy holding his phone) forgot his season pass on his other jacket.

 

So, the friend just go to the mountain like nothing happened, and uses the lifts sans a pass.

 

They get caught, and my assumption is the guy is not taking it seriously and thus security gets very pissed.

 

security gets fired.

 

 

the security guy when pissed, should just of said, "Your season pass will be null and void"

 

I haven't seen anything overly wrong until the "I will hunt you down and I will kill you!"... I'd go straight ahead to the resort administration and call the police saying the guy threaten to kill me!

 

It's a shame how people like to get fired when they are talking to kids or teens! Gosh... yep, the guy was wrong should have gone to season pass office and try to get a day lift ticket or some sort of "forgot my pass ticket"... I know a few places that will let you "forget" your pass and will void it for the day and give you a day pass...

 

Now to pretend you are some sort of ski resort mob boss is lame and disrespectful, not say it might also be considered a crime to say he would kill the kid!

 

Do you know where was that? The resort administration did the right thing by firing that guy!

post #3 of 23

I got the impression that the hunt you down..  was more tongue and cheek.  Regardless though.  I wouldn't give anyone a free lift ticket that came in and said they forgot the pass. They could just give their pass to a friend to borrow then go say they forgot it and get a ticket.  Now both people can ski.

post #4 of 23

My favorite bit was "Damn Skippy!"  I'm trying to remember how many years it's been since I last heard that.

 

Oh well, t'is just another loser who can't come close to passing the fairly forgiving psych test to be a cop in even the most sketchy po-dunk of towns getting his jollies instead by power-tripping a kid over a triviality.  

 

Not to fret, though, he'll be providing "security" within a week at some other non-descript joint...maybe Joe-Bob's Pawn & Gun. 

post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

I got the impression that the hunt you down..  was more tongue and cheek.  Regardless though.  I wouldn't give anyone a free lift ticket that came in and said they forgot the pass. They could just give their pass to a friend to borrow then go say they forgot it and get a ticket.  Now both people can ski.

At my home mountain they will look it up in the system and void your season pass for the day, so it can't be scanned. They give you a day pass, so you won't be able to have a day pass + season pass in use. I think they allow you to do that a couple of times during the season.

post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

I got the impression that the hunt you down..  was more tongue and cheek.  Regardless though.  I wouldn't give anyone a free lift ticket that came in and said they forgot the pass. They could just give their pass to a friend to borrow then go say they forgot it and get a ticket.  Now both people can ski.

At my home mountain they will look it up in the system and void your season pass for the day, so it can't be scanned. They give you a day pass, so you won't be able to have a day pass + season pass in use. I think they allow you to do that a couple of times during the season.

At VR you go to the pass office and show ID. They void your old pass permanently and give you a new one. You can do this once or twice a season for free, but they charge $10 or so after that. Go home, find the one you forgot and throw it in the trash, 'cause it won't do no one no good no more.

post #7 of 23

My hill looks you up then they charge you $6 for a forgotten pass.  

 

If you are stupid enough to say "I will kill you" to a customer then you should be fired.  If you want to be a dick, just threaten to call the real cops and have them arrested for trespassing.  I actually saw two skis get busted for skiing with old lift tickets on Sunday.  They were minors so I'm sure they just ended up calling their parents.  

post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by voghan View Post
  

If you are stupid enough to say "I will kill you" to a customer then you should be fired.   

 

What if the customer is doing something truly hideous...like wearing plaid with stripes???

post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post
 

 

What if the customer is doing something truly hideous...like wearing plaid with stripes???

and suspenders just like henrik harlaut

post #10 of 23

At Squalpine if you forget your pass you get a day pass, no big deal. As far as loaning someone your pass--you can always do that anyway, but they have people checking your picture every time you go through the gate and if you loan a pass and get caught, goodbye pass. The kid probably just didn't realize he could get a day pass, or that resort is run by jerks who won;t give one. That lecture was really painful to listen to. I couldn't stand it long enough to listen for the threat. 

post #11 of 23

I used to get my pass every year at Cannon Mt in New Hampshire.  It's not a huge place, and I was there often enough to be recognized by the lifties.  Anyway, I forgot my pass one time, so I just decided to ski and see if anybody would care.  Answer:  nope.

post #12 of 23

Sounded like he was kidding when he said it. I'd hardly say he was "pissed" at that time.

I mean what did they say about it since the OP knows one of their friends?

post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

I'd hardly say he was "pissed" at that time.

 

Of course he's not "pissed."  It's a rare opportunity to play Billy Badass with a cowed teenager.  He probably lives for that!  

Hell, he probably went home and was able to get it on with his wife for the first time since the last time he got all "official" and sternly blustery with some other poor schmo who didn't place recyclables in the right bin or something.

post #14 of 23

How do you know he wasn't smiling when he said it?

post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

How do you know he wasn't smiling when he said it?

 

Oh, I'm sure he may have been...but for the reason I stated, not necessarily because he was "kidding."

post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

At Squalpine if you forget your pass you get a day pass, no big deal. As far as loaning someone your pass--you can always do that anyway, but they have people checking your picture every time you go through the gate and if you loan a pass and get caught, goodbye pass. The kid probably just didn't realize he could get a day pass, or that resort is run by jerks who won;t give one. That lecture was really painful to listen to. I couldn't stand it long enough to listen for the threat.

No one really takes the time to read a document anyway, when you sign the piece of paper acknowledging that you read and understand the terms & conditions of getting a season pass.

post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

I wouldn't give anyone a free lift ticket that came in and said they forgot the pass. They could just give their pass to a friend to borrow then go say they forgot it and get a ticket.  Now both people can ski.

Really?  At Red Lodge Mountain, if you forget your pass you can go to the ticket window and get a day pass for $5.00 and they make your pass invalid for that day.  If you loaned it someone it would be rejected by the scanner.  It's called technology.

post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

Really?  At Red Lodge Mountain, if you forget your pass you can go to the ticket window and get a day pass for $5.00 and they make your pass invalid for that day.  If you loaned it someone it would be rejected by the scanner.  It's called technology.


I've skied five different resorts this season, both very busy and very empty crowd days.  I haven't had someone try to scan my ticket at all this season.  Last season they seemed obsessed with scanning in the corral.  This season, not at all.  Anyway, no one in the story above mentioned the ability to or act of disabling the pass for the day. 

post #19 of 23

I thought the security guy sounded like a power tripping cop wannabe right from the start. It's not like the teenager tried to ski for free, rather he likely didn't know that you could get a day ticket replacement for a forgotten pass. The power tripping security guy made it sound like the kid committed a federal offense when in fact all he did was fail to follow proper procedures for a forgotten pass--no big deal imo.

 

However I'm not sure the security guy should have been fired--reprimanded by his boss, for sure. We don't know what other power tripping stuff the security guy may have committed in the past so it is hard to pass judgement. OTOH I can see the ski resort being very sensitive to the teen's parents possibly raising a big stink and bad PR to have a security guy threaten the teen even if it was later claimed by the security guy to be a joke. It didn't sound like a joke to me as he sounded way to serious and he over reacted to a minor infraction.

post #20 of 23

They always scan our passes at our home resort. This weekend they were actually checking faces against photos on passes. never seen them do that before. I don't mind if it means they catch a few freeloaders. I pay for my turns.

post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post
 

However I'm not sure the security guy should have been fired--reprimanded by his boss, for sure. 

 

Danny, I don't think he was "kidding" so much as displaying some chest-puffing bluster, which while subtly different, still amounts to an empty threat...probably

That said, threatening to "hunt down and kIll" a teenager for the triviality of skiing without his pass...regardless of lack of actual intent to follow through with the threat...is beyond the pale as far as official misconduct is concerned.  I can't imagine any other remedy other than termination.

 

It's the sort of conduct that points toward instability, and his employer cannot bear the liability for such an egregious lack of judgement.  With this incident on record, just imagine the cost to the resort if he later hurts some kid for some minor misdeed after being "provoked" by an insufficient lack of remorse on the part of said hypothetical kid.

 

Hell, if he's a licensed security officer who is armed, he could be subject to an "Official Oppression" or "Terroristic Threat" sort of criminal charge in many states.  I don't know the law in his state, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't at risk of being subject to something at least somewhat similar there.

 

Totally agree with your first paragraph, though!

post #22 of 23

There's no excuse for treating a paying customer like that.  Yeah, the kid forgot his paperwork, but he did shell out (probably) high three figures for his pass. 

 

I can understand reading someone the riot act for reckless skiing or other dangerous behavior, but taking that tone for something as benign as not carrying around the receipt for something you paid for?  Totally unacceptable. The security guy obviously lacks the sense and judgment to be in a position of authority.  Either fire him outright or re-assign him to some other position where his lack of cognitive skills won't matter.  Maybe picking up trash in the parking lot.

 

What is with these wanna-be cops? If ski area management is at all customer focused they should make an example out of him of how not to treat paying customers.

post #23 of 23
Maybe it's just my tablet, but the voice of the security guy didn't sound like he's joking in the least. He's being a dick right from the get go. I'd like to think there's something BEFORE this started that justified the pissiness. Here, lifties would just send you to the office, they'd give you a ticket for the day, while deactivating the pass for the day. No biggie. And everyone would be happy to do it. Now, if there was some kind of mouthing off or reckless behavior involved that we don't know about, maybe they'd have security there, but for a missing lift ticket? Come on, I see them laying on the snow all the time.

And I'm pretty sure a security guy like that wouldn't last the first day here.
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