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I am looking for my own new ski for Beginner to Intermediate ski since last 2 season

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Hi,

 

I'm male, 5' 9" 170lbs.  First full year of skiing, had 2 lessons last season and skiied 5 times this season. I would consider myself as beginner intermediate, feel comfortable at blue slop. Ski only in northeast US, 90% on groomed (planning to Colorado this winter ) 

 

I have been doing research about ski that will be suitable for me and my skill level. I always rent ski at the ski resort. The size they gave me is 152cm. I think according to my height and weight I would go for 160cm. Do you think it is too short for me size?  I have a budget about $500. I already got a ski boot which is Head Adapt Edge 90. It is really fit me nicely because I have a wide forefeet. 

 

What I am considering right now is 

1. Elan Amphibo 76 160cm (My favorite) I haven't ski with this before

2. Ros Experience 78(I guess) 

3. K2 AMP

4. Atomic smoke Ti

 

I like the feature and technology of Elan amphibio the most. Do you think it will be too much for me according to my skill?

 

Do you have any recommendation? I would like a brand new ski. Should I wait until the new 2015 ski comes out and buy 2014 model, would it save me money? If so , when is the best time?

 

Thank you 

post #2 of 9

Welcome to EpicSki.  I highly recommend you demo any of these skis that you can, particularly the Elan.  Elan says all the other Amphibio series skis are for advanced-expert skiers, but they don't provide that info for the 76.  If it is really for advanced-expert skiers, it wouldn't be a good ski for you.  OTOH, if it is recommended for intermediates, it might be a great ski for you, as long as you understand that there is a definite right and left ski with these.  I think you're right about getting a ski about 170cm.  A shorter ski will be easier to turn but will not serve you well as your skills progress, especially since all the skis on your list have some of amount of rocker/early rise which makes them ski a bit shorter.  A ski with a waist of 75-80mm is a good choice for where you ski and will work just fine in Colorado on groomed runs.

post #3 of 9
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Thank you for you advice, Mtcyclist.  I have to wait until next season to try demo. I saw at the ski resort shop they had Elan Amphibio as demo too. If Amphibio is for advance, there is other series called " Morpheo" for beginner to intermediate. That might be the one for me to try too. I am afraid that I will not be able to differentiate those skis once I demo them, LOL coz I am not expert enough. About ski length, I'm afraid 170 might be the way to long for me. I always ski at 152cm and still feel it's quite difficult to direct them.  What's different between ski at 160cm and 170cm? If you have to pick one for me what you would go for?

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I always ski at 152cm and still feel it's quite difficult to direct them.  

Lessons from a PSIA level 2 or higher instructor is what you need.  Have you actually had lessons?  I'm about 5'8" or a bit less and my shortest skis are 160cm, low level slalom race skis.  The skis I use most often are 170 and 174.  I'm not sure how you can feel comfortable on a blue run if you're still having trouble turning.  I actually don't think you should buy skis before you can easily control the 152 length because once you can really control them you'll realize how unstable they are for your size.  When you can control that size, try 170s and if they're too much, drop back to 160.  But get lessons.

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Thread Starter 

Thank you for reply.

 

I had taken class twice. It's for first-time ski. As you know those classes teach you how to stop, wedge things, and turn. That's pretty much everything. I learned more how to do link turn and etc on youtube. My problem is when I go on the blue run when I turn it picks up more speed and that is what I couldn't completely control the ski. I feel it's unstable at that speed and when making turns.  I'm scare going with longer ski than 152cm because they told me the longer the faster. I definitely need to take an advance class for next coming season. 

 

Funny is I just ordered Elan Amphibio 76 at 168cm ski last night because price is reasonable and this one I couldn't find in any website. It seems it runs out very fast. After I  just saw your reply it made me feel that I should cancel the order before I try demo. The main reason I want to have my own ski is in long term I can save from ski rental. 

 

Any additional suggestion? I am very appreciated your opinion and knowledge. 

 

Por

post #6 of 9

While you can learn some things on the internet, skiing really isn't one of them.  You can watch videos until you're cross-eyed but trying to mimic what you watched is going to be pretty much impossible.  What you need is feedback from someone who knows what to look for and how to show/explain what you you need to do.  And that pretty much requires an experienced instructor.

 

That said, it sounds like you aren't completing each turn.  You need to think of each turn as a having a "C" shape.  As you initiate a turn, your skis turn downhill and your speed will increase.  What you need to do is continue the turn across the fall line until you skis are perpendicular to the fall line and then initiate the next turn.  What you're probably doing is initiating the next turn as soon as you feel your speed increase which makes you gain speed with each turn.  Do you have any videos of you skiing?

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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

While you can learn some things on the internet, skiing really isn't one of them.  You can watch videos until you're cross-eyed but trying to mimic what you watched is going to be pretty much impossible.  What you need is feedback from someone who knows what to look for and how to show/explain what you you need to do.  And that pretty much requires an experienced instructor.

 

That said, it sounds like you aren't completing each turn.  You need to think of each turn as a having a "C" shape.  As you initiate a turn, your skis turn downhill and your speed will increase.  What you need to do is continue the turn across the fall line until you skis are perpendicular to the fall line and then initiate the next turn.  What you're probably doing is initiating the next turn as soon as you feel your speed increase which makes you gain speed with each turn.  Do you have any videos of you skiing?

You sounds right. The best for me is to take more class. I do not know if it's going to be too serious for me since I just ski for fun at first. I have nothing to do right now since the season is ending in a week here. 

 

I'm appreciated all you advice. 

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I do not know if it's going to be too serious for me since I just ski for fun at first. 

Keep in mind that the better your technique the more fun you will have and the less limited you will be in where you can ski.  Without getting past the issue of increasing speed on every turn, you won't have much fun in Colorado because even the green runs there are very likely as difficult as the blue runs where you normally ski.  There is no objective standard for green or blue or black runs.

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Thank you for reply.

 

I had taken class twice. It's for first-time ski. As you know those classes teach you how to stop, wedge things, and turn. That's pretty much everything. I learned more how to do link turn and etc on youtube. My problem is when I go on the blue run when I turn it picks up more speed and that is what I couldn't completely control the ski. I feel it's unstable at that speed and when making turns.  I'm scare going with longer ski than 152cm because they told me the longer the faster. I definitely need to take an advance class for next coming season. 

 

Funny is I just ordered Elan Amphibio 76 at 168cm ski last night because price is reasonable and this one I couldn't find in any website. It seems it runs out very fast. After I  just saw your reply it made me feel that I should cancel the order before I try demo. The main reason I want to have my own ski is in long term I can save from ski rental. 

 

Any additional suggestion? I am very appreciated your opinion and knowledge. 

 

Por

Only cancel your order if the Elan you bought is too much ski (and I personally have no idea on that one).  I'd ask the shop you purchased from for an opinion.

 

But demo'ing skis?  After 5-7 days of total experience?  Why?  What are you going to learn?  On what basis would you assess the relative performance characteristics of the skis you are comparing?  More likely, you'll pick the ski you used in the best snow conditions.

 

It is totally reasonable to own rather than rent - if only to eliminate the hassle factor.  And economically you'll also come out ahead in the long run.  If you purchase something in the spring for $300-400, you'll have done better than 15 days of rentals (and you'd be no worse off than if you'd signed up for +/- 2 seasons of full season rentals).

 

Just buy something that makes sense, is the right length and ski it 20-30 days.  Don't over think it.  After 30-some ski days, then you will have some basis to consider and evaluate clusters of gear in the same performance band.  If you pick up something recommended by a reputable shop, tuned to your level and size you almost can't go wrong at this stage.

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