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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Particulars.

 

38 year old male, 5' 7" 180lbs.  First full year of skiing, had 3 lessons last season and skiied 8-10 times this season.  Currently a level 4 intermediate (comfortable on easier blues, linking parallel turns, trying to learn to carve.)  Ski only in northeast US, 90% on groomed (or heavily skiied powder).  Casual style, not looking to rip down trails at mach speed, but not poking along either.  Have a season long equipment lease.  I was given a 142cm Head Rev 80 that I spent most of the season with.  Recently went back in and asked for a longer ski, and they gave me a 150cm Head The Link.  He said it was a 150, but if I stand next to it with no shoes, they come to right under my nose.  I definitely felt better on the 150s than I did on the 142.  More comfortable at speed and seemed to hold an edge better.

 

I have done a lot of reading on gear, and have decided I will be making the investment into good boots over the summer.  I will be headed to Inner Bootworks in Stowe, VT to get fitted.  The Dalbello lease boots I had this season are definitely too loose around the foot and heal (I was careful to make sure they are not too long, I think they are just packed out), but worked OK, so I don't think I have any major fit issues, so I'm hoping to get out for under $400-$500. Does this sound reasonable?

 

My question now is if I should lease skis for another season, or buy a pair of used skis.  I can lease skis for roughly $110-$200 (depending on shop and used vs new equipment), or I could spend only a little more and buy a decent pair of used skis.  I'm generally looking for something 2009 or newer, and in the 75mm to 85mm waist width.  Pretty much anything in the K2 AMP series seems like it would work, particularly the Recon or Rictor.  I've seen skis like the K2 AMP Rictor or the Rossignol Avenger 76 around 160cm in decent condition for under $200 on eBay.  If I can get 2 seasons out of them, I'd be better of in terms of $s and based on the reviews, they seem to be at least as good as the leased skis I'd be on.  (Depending on which shop, new equipment lease is a Volkl RTM or the Head Rev 80, used lease is the Head Link I'm using now or an unspecified pair of Rossignols)

 

Thoughts and recommendations?

 

I know I'll likely get advice to demo skis, but right now I usually only have a 3-4 hour block of time to ski while kids are in lessons, and don't want to spend time in the rental/demo shop. I honestly don't know that I'm consistent enough yet to really evaluate skis anyways.  I'm really just looking for something that should work as well as the lease equipment and can be had for little more than the price of leasing for a season.

 

Thanks!

 

edit:  As an example of what I think is a decent ski for the money, here is one pair I would consider if I could get it to my house for under $180. Is this a reasonable ski for the money?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dynastar-Legend-Sultan-80-165cm-skis-w-NX12-demo-bindings-good-condition-174-/151254453286?pt=Skiing&hash=item233777cc26


Edited by tobiusnc - 3/18/14 at 12:17pm
post #2 of 17

why get boots in the middle of summer?  

Is the ski shop even open or have a good amount of stock of boots available?  

 

If you plan to get boots for next season, just wait until late fall and things begin to ramp up and the ski shop gets into full swing with new stock of gear rather then picking through scraps in the middle of summer.

 

You also want boots least during some part of the ski season, so you can go back and get them fine-tuned or adjusted rather then sitting in your shelf for 6months.  

Also be prepared to adjust your budget, if you need another $100 or $200 more for the boots that work better for you you should be flexible to decide to fork it over,  and expect to buy at least a trim-to-fit footbed, 

 

 

As far as the skis and lease versus buy, it's pretty much an even decision from what your options said.  As you improve you will want to advance to new skis so definitely treat the skis as transitional.   

If i were you, i'd spent the extra money for the new lease.  volkl rtm or head rev80 should be pretty good skis.

 

Given all the sunk costs to go skiing, spending a little more to do it on better equipment is worth it.

 

Save your money by carefully watching your food/lodging/fuel/pass and other costs instead.

 

If you're not skiing in march/april, i would also wait again until fall before deciding.
 

post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by tobiusnc View Post
 

Particulars.

 

38 year old male, 5' 7" 180lbs.  First full year of skiing, had 3 lessons last season and skiied 8-10 times this season.  Currently a level 4 intermediate (comfortable on easier blues, linking parallel turns, trying to learn to carve.)  Ski only in northeast US, 90% on groomed (or heavily skiied powder).  Casual style, not looking to rip down trails at mach speed, but not poking along either.  Have a season long equipment lease.  I was given a 142cm Head Rev 80 that I spent most of the season with.  Recently went back in and asked for a longer ski, and they gave me a 150cm Head The Link.  He said it was a 150, but if I stand next to it with no shoes, they come to right under my nose.  I definitely felt better on the 150s than I did on the 142.  More comfortable at speed and seemed to hold an edge better.

 

I have done a lot of reading on gear, and have decided I will be making the investment into good boots over the summer.  I will be headed to Inner Bootworks in Stowe, VT to get fitted.  The Dalbello lease boots I had this season are definitely too loose around the foot and heal (I was careful to make sure they are not too long, I think they are just packed out), but worked OK, so I don't think I have any major fit issues, so I'm hoping to get out for under $400-$500. Does this sound reasonable?

 

My question now is if I should lease skis for another season, or buy a pair of used skis.  I can lease skis for roughly $110-$200 (depending on shop and used vs new equipment), or I could spend only a little more and buy a decent pair of used skis.  I'm generally looking for something 2009 or newer, and in the 75mm to 85mm waist width.  Pretty much anything in the K2 AMP series seems like it would work, particularly the Recon or Rictor.  I've seen skis like the K2 AMP Rictor or the Rossignol Avenger 76 around 160cm in decent condition for under $200 on eBay.  If I can get 2 seasons out of them, I'd be better of in terms of $s and based on the reviews, they seem to be at least as good as the leased skis I'd be on.  (Depending on which shop, new equipment lease is a Volkl RTM or the Head Rev 80, used lease is the Head Link I'm using now or an unspecified pair of Rossignols)

 

Thoughts and recommendations?

 

I know I'll likely get advice to demo skis, but right now I usually only have a 3-4 hour block of time to ski while kids are in lessons, and don't want to spend time in the rental/demo shop. I honestly don't know that I'm consistent enough yet to really evaluate skis anyways.  I'm really just looking for something that should work as well as the lease equipment and can be had for little more than the price of leasing for a season.

 

Thanks!

 

edit:  As an example of what I think is a decent ski for the money, here is one pair I would consider if I could get it to my house for under $180. Is this a reasonable ski for the money?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dynastar-Legend-Sultan-80-165cm-skis-w-NX12-demo-bindings-good-condition-174-/151254453286?pt=Skiing&hash=item233777cc26

Welcome to EpicSki!  When you go boot shopping, what you probably want is often called "new old stock."  Meaning new boots from a previous season.  While there are advantages to using new boots relatively soon after buying them, if you get boots from a reputable shop they should be willing to support the purchase during the next ski season.

 

Having your own skis is certainly a lot more convenient.  You can probably find something better than skis from a lease fleet.  I did that when my daughter was young and still learning.  Bought better skis after a couple seasons when I knew more about my own skiing as well as how often we were likely to ski and where.

post #4 of 17

If you want to save $, then I say go cheap as shit on your boots. Then upgrade to high end liners. Maybe a power strap. Boom now you've got custom moulded high end performance, with the style/steeze of a 90's shell.  

 

Those skis you linked would be fine i'm sure. But i'd prefer to drop the demo bindings.  

post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 

New old stock is the exact reason I am thinking about buying during the summer (or spring).  Inner Bootworks has a reputation as being exceptional boot fitters, so I'm not really worried about support all through the following season.  I'm probably looking at a 25.5 boot which appears to be on the small end of normal, so I'm hoping that makes it more likely that there will be something in stock.  If none of the old stock works, then I'll have to wait for next seasons boots.

 

By nature, I'm a bargain hunter.  I'm willing to spend money, but I don't need to newest/latest technology, and I enjoy doing the research to get the best value for my money.  New boots from an experienced boot fitter seems like it's worth the money.  $500+ for brand new skis, probably not. I'm really looking for others experience on buying used skis and models they would recommend that would be at least as good as what I would get from the lease fleet.

post #6 of 17

When they get new stock in, the new-old stock is now a bit older;

so it still behooves the bargain hunter to wait until the fall ramp-up again before shopping.

 

As far as the used skis go, you need to think of skis similar to computer or electronics.  There bulk of the discount occurs within 1-2 years; then it's diminishing returns on how much you save.

 

You definitely should stick with used skis that are at most 2years old.

Whether to lease or to buy also depends how much you intend to ski.  If you intend to ski over 10days, I'd actually say the leasing is a better idea, as you will get full value and grow out of the beg-intermediate skis within that time, and then be ready to purchase a higher-end ski for keeps by end of next season.

 

Again, i've found it to hold true too, that while there is a "sale" in spring, the same "sale" comes around again in fall, there is no rush if you're not skiing on them.

post #7 of 17
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post #8 of 17

Value of my time, especially getting to the lifts from the lot weights heaviest in my rent or buy decisions.  Granted, you can get a seasonal rental from a ski shop if you have one nearby.  The closest one to me is about 30 minutes away so add in at least two trips (two hours) to the ski shop for a seasonal rental, likely more to keep them tuned or swap out stuff with growing kids.

 

If I get a good deal on decent gently used gear delivered I'd rather ski that than pay a little more for a seasonal rental on something slightly newer or even brand new just because I have to have additional errands and travel when I can have my own gear for the same or less.

post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by tobiusnc View Post
 

so I'm hoping to get out for under $400-$500. Does this sound reasonable?

 

 

 

Yes.  I disagree (respectfully) with raytseng and agree with marznc.  There are plenty of this (and last) season's boots that will be fine for you, and most won't change with the new season.

 

WAIT (edit!) I shot too fast -- raysteng is not saying to buy next year's models, but buy this year's next Fall.  If you're not planning to ski with them any more this season, he's right, they'll be cheaper, and your local ski store will need the space for new models.

post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 

My thought is to maybe try going to the shop in mid-early spring and see if there is anything left from the previous year (18 month old new stock) that will work for me, since that should net me the best deal.  If not, then I'll wait until fall when this seasons stock is old to make my purchase.  Am I off base here, or does it make sense?
 

Also, about to pull the trigger on these skis.  Fully expect to be transitional, but with the poles included (which I need) and looking like they are brand new, should get 2 seasons out of them.  I figure it's hard to go wrong for under $140.  Someone stop me quick if I'm making a mistake.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141227767249?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&autorefresh=true


Thanks!

post #11 of 17
I think you know boots are the most important part. Is the shop at Stowe close to you ? or will you have to drive a long distance ? that cost money.

I can't view that ebay link here at work.

Sounds like you have a normal/average size foot, will the shop have the best boot for you at that time of year, or will you have to come back inthe Fall ?
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 

However, I know I will be skiing next season and these skis look like they would be better than the lease equipment I'd be getting for the same price.  They are K2 Apache Raiders 156cm with integrated M2 11.0 bindings.  I'm guessing 2009 by the color/bindings.  The bottoms look like they've never been skied on.  I know they are a little on the short side, but I spend this season on 142s, currently on a 150.  I don't expect I will get off Blue terrain next year, and my style is mostly about speed control, not tearing down the mountain.  I figure worst case I have to live with them for one season, and then I should be able to unload them for only a small loss.  As long as I don't hate them, I'm way better off than leasing for the season.  I'm generally trying to so this inexpensively and still really enjoy it.  I'm ready to make the investment into boots, but I really don't know enough to even demo skis effectively yet, so I figure I'm best of going with something decent but cheap.  Maybe by the second half of next season I will have a better idea what I want out of a ski.

 

As for making 2 trips, they are about 45 minutes away by interstate, so cost isn't a major issue, but my time is fairly precious.  I'd certainly call first to know if there's any chance of having something available.

post #13 of 17

I'd still say just wait until fall.   Unless you are going to ski in march/april.  

 

There is no rush.  Unless there's an exact specific ski you're lookng for, you will find the same or better deal in the fall.

I've went that route before and bought skis in april thinking it'll disappear, but in fall the same ski shows up with a better price, or things change and something even better pops up for the same money.

 

I think the new lease RTM or head rev 80 for $199 or even 299  for a learning season is a very solid choice, if you go more than 10days. and you can usually size up or down and get free buff waxes throughout the season.

 

I would also caution against buying from a private party with no return policy, especially if you're not looking for a specific ski

If you go ebay/used, I like to go from at least a bigger outfit with a retun policy.  AND be able to check out and ski the skis once before the return policy runs out (more applicable for used skis; with maybe a fee)

post #14 of 17

My experience is that the best deals are to be found in late spring through summer.  Once you get into late fall, the prices go up or the 'new old' stock is gone.  I'd work on getting the boot thing going soon.

 

The Raiders look fine for your purposes, and at ~$150 you should be able to sell them for what you paid for them if it turns out you don't like them for whatever reason. 

post #15 of 17

^^^I'm going to also go on the late spring/summer best deals.  People are more desperate to pull the trigger on ski gear in the fall and retailers know it.  Unless the stock is a real dog like a very short length powder ski the fall clearance prices and more importantly selection isn't as good as late Spring when they want to move out ski gear to make room for bike gear. 

 

Only exception is new gear blem sales that happen from time to time.

post #16 of 17

Lease the Ski's, buy the boots.

 

Common wisdom says you should be on ski's that are at least 170cm in length (your height), and when you get good you'll be at 175cm+.  That's 20cm more than the ski's you're looking at buying (between 2 and 4 "sizes" of ski bigger, as Ski models usually come in 5-10cm increments). 

 

Lease, and you can size up by gradually throughout the season as you get more comfortable.  Once you're comfortably in the 170ish range, demo, and then buy.

 

Boots are your platform, get good ones and hold on.  Expect to pay between $500-700, and be pleasantly surprised if it's less.

 

In short: Lease the Ski's, buy the boots.

post #17 of 17
Just checking Epic while waiting in Denver airport for connecting flight to Aspen. 150 sounds short to me. Given your height and weight, go into the 160s at least, IMO.
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