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Major problems with shin pain, Fischer vacuum or Daleboots?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

First of all, I would like to apologize for my poor English skills. It is my second language so please bare with me.

I am what should properly be described as an advanced skier. But I have always had major problems finding a ski boot that fits me. Its not like, I have tried a lot of models or types. My problem is what I would describe, as some kind of shin splints, I am, however, not sure that is the correct definition. Its a reoccurring problem for me, when I run and ride my bike too. I am not sure shin splints can be that (?), but so far its my best guess - If any of you guys speak danish, I can give you the correct term ;)

 

So far I have been skiing in rentals (different kinds) and the last four years I have been skiing in a pair of Dalbello Krypton Rampage, with the well known three-piece shell (flex around 90 according to Dalbello). I had them fitted by an experienced boot-fitter in Canada (Revelstoke), several times even. Without it helping much. Now I must admit, that I maybe just need another pair so that I can avoid pressure spots (?) on the outer of my shin. Also I think they are a bit too flexi, not much though. And so that I can get some blood flowing to my feet, since I found out that was another problem on my last vacation. That last part might be because of the extreme boot fitting done in Canada the year before.

 

I have tried changing the canting, getting heat molded soles and using eliminators (you know, those foam shin pads). But to no use.

 

According to the before mentioned boot fitter, I could try with some Fischer somatech boots. And since they have released their vacuum fit models, that seems like an obvious choice. I'm thinking the 110 flex model). However I know a guy, with a pair of Daleboot (VVF Pro), that swears it is the best thing that ever happened to him. Would that be the better choice in my situation? Maybe I should go for the ST model? Are there any other mentionable alternatives to the Fischer Vacuum and Daleboot VFF Pro/ST?

 

As I already mentioned, this is a pretty serious sports injury. So I really cant use 'these-might-be-alright-solutions' I need something that actually have a definite possibility for working.

 

Even though I don't' have tons of money, at the moment. I am willing to go the extra mile, to get the right solution this time.

 

I sincerely hope that you guys can help me out with some good advice regarding this matter. I would like to thank for any answers in advance!

 

Best Regards

Frederik Forsberg, Denmark

post #2 of 19
Thread Starter 

Oh yea, and my weight is around 75 kg. and I am 180 cm. Kind of forgot about that...

post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 

BUMP

post #4 of 19

can you tell as soon as you put the boot on if it hurts your shins?   or do you have to ski for a while first?

have you even had boots that dont do this to you?

 

do other sports or situations do this to you?

post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 

#4: well. I think the problem with my shin started because I skied to intensely in the krypton boots. When it went really bad I was told by a physiotherapist, that I should take a break from skiing for at least a year to avoid it becoming a chronic condition. After some time in the boots (maybe around a week of skiing or so) it hurts just to look at my shins the wrong way. But putting the boots on after some months of not skiing doesn't hurt.

 

I don't know if I have had boots that do this too me before because I have never skied as intensely in other boots. But I imagine that the result wouldn't have been much better in any of the other boots I have skied.

 

I can risk getting into a similar injury when running. But since I got new shoes (went from underpronation/neutral (had two pairs) to overpornation), I have not really had any problem with it in this regard.

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 

Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I know this is not that kind of forum ;)

'overpornation' = overpronation

post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by Frederik F View Post
 

 

So far I have been skiing in rentals (different kinds) and the last four years I have been skiing in a pair of Dalbello Krypton Rampage, with the well known three-piece shell (flex around 90 according to Dalbello). I had them fitted by an experienced boot-fitter in Canada (Revelstoke), several times even. Without it helping much. Now I must admit, that I maybe just need another pair so that I can avoid pressure spots (?) on the outer of my shin. Also I think they are a bit too flexi, not much though. And so that I can get some blood flowing to my feet, since I found out that was another problem on my last vacation. That last part might be because of the extreme boot fitting done in Canada the year before.

 

I have tried changing the canting, getting heat molded soles and using eliminators (you know, those foam shin pads). But to no use.

 

According to the before mentioned boot fitter, I could try with some Fischer somatech boots. And since they have released their vacuum fit models, that seems like an obvious choice. I'm thinking the 110 flex model). However I know a guy, with a pair of Daleboot (VVF Pro), that swears it is the best thing that ever happened to him. Would that be the better choice in my situation? Maybe I should go for the ST model? Are there any other mentionable alternatives to the Fischer Vacuum and Daleboot VFF Pro/ST?

 

As I already mentioned, this is a pretty serious sports injury. So I really cant use 'these-might-be-alright-solutions' I need something that actually have a definite possibility for working.

 

Even though I don't' have tons of money, at the moment. I am willing to go the extra mile, to get the right solution this time.

 

I sincerely hope that you guys can help me out with some good advice regarding this matter. I would like to thank for any answers in advance!

 

Best Regards

Frederik Forsberg, Denmark

Frederik,

 

What size feet in CM?

 

what size boots in mondo or boot sole length?

 

I highlighted an area in your original post that might be pertinent, ----3 buckle boots generally have a problem---If you are over tighten the second buckle, it not only pulls your foot back in the shell---it also pulls down on the top of your instep---not a good thing, as this will cut off circulation over the top of the foot and innervation in the toes and forefoot (cold feet:eek) 4 buckle boots, generally, don't have this problem as long as you don't over tighten the lower 2 buckles.

 

You could also benefit from spreading the load up the shin by wrapping the powerstrap around the liner and tongue only (inside the front of the shell pieces).

 

mike

post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 

Hi Mike, thanks for your answer!

My feet are around 26 cm. heel to front.

Mondo on the Kryptons is 316 mm.

I have not really had problems with cold feet, but mostly with cramps, but it seems likely ,that I have tightened my second buckle to hard.

I have not tried wrapping the powerstrap around on the inside of the tongue ? I didn't even know you could do that. Are you sure that is possible on kryptons? Maybe I have misunderstood you. But it just seems like its impossible when I am looking, at the boots...

 

Frederik

post #9 of 19

Frederik 

 

i think you solved the problem in your last post... if your feet measure 26cm then why are you skiing in a size 27 boot? the kryptons run pretty big to size as well.

 

i think your problem will be solved by finding a good boot fitter and having them match you up with a boot the correct sizer and shape for your foot

post #10 of 19

Glad I asked, your boots are too big.----I agree with CEM---find a boot fitter!!!

 

mike

post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

It could be argued that I might be a size 26,5 (don't have the right equipment to measure my feet) but there is no question that I clearly have been skiing in too big boots! Well that was kind of a relief. Can't say why I haven't heard this argument with any of the guys I have been discussing this with before. Including two bootfitters.

On the other hand it explains why I feel that I have too tighten my boots so much before my feet are set in place and not rumbling around in the boots.

 

I was starting to doubt I would get any answers in this thread. But you guys have not disappointed me!

 

I feel a bit annoyed, that I haven't discovered this before. But I have honestly never thought of it.

 

Thank you for all the help! I can't tell you how grateful I am :)

 

Unfortunately there are very few real bootfitters in Denmark (if any at all). So I will have to wait until I go elsewhere to fit my new boots when I get them.

 

I will be sure to check my exact sole length before I go out and try on new boots. Having that in mind, along with my problems with shin pain (shin splints?). Can any of you guys point me in any direction according to my next pair of boots? Are three piece boots no go? What about the sometech stance or just the vacuum fit boots? I know you can't recommend me a specific pair of boots. But do you have any guidelines or any other specific things I should be aware of in my case?

post #12 of 19

If you get over to the UK, you could go see CEM.

 

What you need is a "boot fitter"---these guy's are few and far between---usually are Certified Pedorthists (Cped.) and understand anatomy far better than most boot "salesmen" is your average ski shop

 

Good Luck

 

mike

post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 

Hi guys, I just wanna give you a quick update on my situation. I got an offer on a nice deal, on a pair of used (barely) Fischer Vacuums that seemed to be the exact size I needed. So despite all rational thinking (well, I don't know if I have the possibility to see a real boot fitter for the next couple of seasons, or ever) I got them, and went to my local store to get them fixed and to get a pair of custom insoles. They are by far the most comfortable ski boots I have ever tried. Even with the standard liner. For now I cannot see anything being wrong with them, except maybe for them being a little too soft - flex 110. That being said, I have obviously been (very) wrong before, and I will be extra attentive while trying them out on the snow. I am very thankful for all the help I have received, and if I ever get close to what I would consider a real boot fitter, I will be eager to check them out and have a chat with them. Who knows, maybe its time for some new boots by then.

 

/Frederik

post #14 of 19

Hmmmmm!  I think the problem is already explained in the first post.  Your problem is already chronic and I seriously doubt any boot will fix it.  If they do perhaps they can double as cycling and running shoes.  You need to see a doc or someone that can figure out the cause and provide a treatment.

 

Lou

post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 

I have already seen a doctor and a physiotherapist. This was a long time ago though (2012, when it actually happened). They both told me it could become chronic, but also that it wasn't yet. I since took a break from skiing for almost two years - I made a mistake in my first post, its two years, not one. I was on my first skiing trip since late season 2012 about a month before I started this thread. I don't think its a chronic condition yet, seeing as I took all the precautions I was told to, and I haven't had serious problems with my shin since. I really hope, that a correct sized pair of boots, that actually fits me will do the trick. Otherwise I will probably have to give up skiing for good - at least until I get the chance to visit a proper boot fitter.

 

The shin problems first occurred after about 1 month of pretty intense skiing, so I believe there is hope as long as, I don't ski for 6 hours everyday in a month without training for it beforehand :)

 

I actually have planned to do some exercises to prevent this condition again, at least while skiing. I got the exercises from the fore-mentioned therapist and my athletics (running) trainer I had while I was in high school (gymnasium).

 

/Frederik

post #16 of 19

OK thanks for the more complete information.  but I'm not certain it changes my opinion of the cause.  Shin pain can certainly be caused by direct boot pressure, but given you have had this problem with other sports with no shin pressure at all this sounds like a soft tissue over use injury to me.

 

Over activation of your shin muscles can be caused by stance issues  and primarily I'd say by sitting back.  I'd look at forward lean, binding delta and boot ramp as well as binding position.  Too much of the first three can cause sitting back, and each can be easily reduced in most cases.  Bindings too far back can also cause sitting back and depending on your ski binding combination can be easily remedied .  What boots skis and bindings are you using?

 

Lou

post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 

Right now I am skiing on two pairs of skis depending on the conditions and my mood :)

1. a pair of Armada JJs (185 cm) with marker baron bindings. I can't remember how far from center the bindings are placed but its not too far from center mounted.

2. a pair of Salomon 24 hours (165 cm) with some old 914 lab bindings that are mounted pretty far back, I think its standard mounting on those, at least that's what I asked for.

 

I was skiing in a pair of over sized Dalbello Krypton Rampage from 2009. But seeing as that was causing me many problems on my latest vacation I decided to get rid of those and investigate the opportunity to see a bootfitter. I pretty much just gave up on finding a bootfitter, and got a pair of Fischer Vacuumfit 110. I haven't tried them yet, but as for now they feel like my second skin when I get them on, very different from my last pair.

 

I am pretty sure, that you are right about the cause of my problems might be with stance issues. But I do feel like that has to do with the boots too. I got a new pair of custom insoles in the new boots, and I hope that the pressure on the outside of my shin can be relieved some what with the Somatech stance.

 

As for my skiing style, I have a couple of instructor degrees, and I am by no means a perfect skier (who is ??). I can tell you that, I ski with a little to much weight on my back ski, and I have a little to much weight on my inner ski. Other than that my problems, can pretty much be boiled down to a bad athletic stance and missing balance as a result. I also have a little bit of rotation issues but I believe that (and a lot of other things) can be fixed easily once I get some more skiing time. Most of these problems are related, and I don't think they are the cause of my problems, however they can surely be a part of the solution!

 

The problem is slightly different with regard to other sports, since the pain appears in slightly different areas on my shin. But I was told that it is basically the same thing, and that it is more than likely related. I think you are right about the direct pressure from the ski boots. But can that not be due to extensive use of the wrong boots with some bad pressure point on the outside of my shin?

 

/Frederik

post #18 of 19

Regarding your last paragraph certainly it can be, but that doesn't explain similar problems with cycling and running.

 

Lou

post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 

I think I follow what your getting at, but I believe that the two problems are substantially due to different reasons. But when either one or the other has already evolved to a problem they are most certainly connected enough to have an impact on each other. For example I get shin splints in a certain area when running, but in another when skiing. However when I have shin splints due to skiing, I must lay off running for a period of time, to be sure I don't make it worse, and vice versa. At least that's what I have been told.

 

So to boil it down there is most probably a very different reason for the shin splints to appear in the first place, but the result is pretty much the same - accumulation of inflammation in certain spots and a reduced circulation due to swollen muscles.

 

As mentioned before, I am not sure its called shin splints, but its probably my best guess :)

 

/Frederik

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