I know a footbed is towards 100$ so that is on top...
Start with a footbed - I'm not sure what a trim to fit costs ($40ish), but a custom is bordering on $200. If you aren't doing something with a footbed the rest of it is probably not worth doing. Cuff alignment is basically just their time, so minimal expense, same for planing your zeppa or building it up if need be, but canting/planing is gonna cost some bucks, probably $100 minimum, heck replacement lifters are like $50-$70. I'd expect the works to be in the range of $300.
Okay, so here's my question: Why is it so hard to get boot fitters to "go all the way" with alignment stuff? Why do they always do the least possible little thing and then leave it up to me to figure out if the one little thing was "enough," even when I'd think it should be fairly clear to them how much "enough" is for my anatomy? Isn't that their job? Why do I always get the strong sense that they are waiting for ME to tell THEM that something is off with my stance. Shouldn't it be the other way around? I understand the concept of changing one variable at a time and seeing what happens before you change another one. But I also know that when I'm making fish chowder I don't taste it after adding each main ingredient before deciding whether I'm going to add any more. I know damn well I'm going to have milk and onions and potatoes and fish in there. I don't put it on the table without the fish and ask my family if it tastes right.
I know I have alignment issues. I've known this for many years. First it was Superfeet. Then it was custom insoles. Then it was custom insoles with some taped-on posting. Then it was different custom insoles. Then it was cuff alignment. The more cuff alignment. Then more radical cuff alignment. No one has ever even once brought up the question of whether (real) canting might help me out. Why not? Nothing in my experience gives me any confidence that this hasn't come up because boot fitters thought about it and decided based on evidence that I don't need it. On the contrary, everything in my experience suggests that no fitter is going to suggest that until and unless I ask for it explicitly. Why should I have to do that? How would I know whether I'm a candidate for canting or not? I didn't know whether I needed footbeds until stuff that happened out side of skiing made me wonder about it. And then when I asked the answer was, "Oh yeah, you are a pretty wicked pronator, aren't you? That would be a good thing to try." Duh. When I buy boots, what are the magic words I have to say to get them to START by making ALL the adjustments they think it will take to get me all the way to a clean stance, rather than making me come in over and over and and over, feeling like a fool after a while? Of course I understand there will be tweaking to get things perfect, but I want the fitter to drive the basic initial analysis and candidate fix, not me. He is the pro, not me. Bud's comments, among others, make me feel like this should be a no-brainer, but in my world it has never seemed to work this way.
Edit: Maybe I just need to go to Stowe and take a lesson with epic and his chips.
Or Come ski Tahoe and I will get you dialed for sure!
Guys, reading some of the assessments and solutions from other above, it is clear there are some misperceptions about what does what regarding boot adjustments. To do it correctly there is a definite methodology and protocol and skipping around or changing one parameter is like playing the lottery, your chances of success are minimal. Changing the cuff "can't" on a boot is not the correct solution for sole canting issues. In fact many times an A framed skier will need the cuffs tipped inward to match their tibia angle and then sole canted the other way to change knee position.
Also alignment services do vary widely around the world, but at least here in my shop custom footbeds are $180-200 and canting is anywhere from $40-180 depending on what we need to do.
If only these opportunities were readily available, or available in online form (for training/mentorship anyway).
Ahh…..hello? Check out "Synergy Coaching" at Snowind.com This is what I have been doing for over twenty years. There are a few around the Country that have the expertise in coaching and alignment you just need to seek us out.
If you were up here in Toronto, I would jump in! I'd actually suggest that alignment specialization be an option within instructor certification programs.
There may be a liability issue that makes them hesitate to plane the soles.
Try this to evaluate whether you need canting wedges on your bootsoles. Get onto flat hard snow with very little pitch. Have a friend with a camera standing below at the end of the run. Ski towards the camera on your left ski, with right ski lifted. Flex and extend that stance leg, so you go up and down on that one foot. You are not supposed to be turning, just making a straight run on a flat ski. Do it again on the other foot for the camera. Do what you have to do to make that run straight. Watch your videos.
If your stance knee goes way over to one side, throwing you off balance, as you flex and extend and attempt to go straight, you may need canting wedges under your boot soles to "move the knee."
Your boot cuffs should have been adjusted to match your lower leg angle while standing up straight in the house before you do this. Boot cuff adjustments are not permanent fixes for "moving the knee."
Take that video to a real bootfitter who has experience canting bootsoles. These bootfitters usually work with racers. Sometimes they work independently, not in shops that sell boots.
you can wait until i learn and document all the factors here - may take a few years :)
since i have been dirt biking for much longer, my enduro blog has a very detailed setup section, covering everything you may want to do to a bike and why: http://www.racerkidz.com/wiki/wiki/Blog:Razie_Enduro_School
Bud, thanks. That's a constructive, sensible, and pragmatic - well, sort of, given the minor issue of an intervening continent - offer. I will think seriously about that if there's even a chance of me getting out there. (Which of course I would like to do some day anyway.) Meanwhile, it does sort of reinforce my general sense that when people here talk about "finding a competent bootfitter," they are not really talking about "the best one you can find within fifty (or a hundred or even two hundred) miles". They are really talking about one of seventeen people in the country or something who are willing and able to work at this level with the general public.
You are preaching to the choir here my friend! I have been trying for years but nobody is listening.
Still looking at that fore aft alignment. This is in some new new boots on easy, slushy terrain focusing on staying aligned over both feet. Doberman 150's
Bud, thanks. That's a constructive, sensible, and pragmatic - well, sort of, given the minor issue of an intervening continent - offer. I will think seriously about that if there's even a chance of me getting out there. (Which of course I would like to do some day anyway.) Meanwhile, it does sort of reinforce my general sense that when people here talk about "finding a competent bootfitter," they are not really talking about "the best one you can find within fifty (or a hundred or even two hundred) miles". They are really talking about one of seventeen people in the country or something who are willing and able to work at this level with the general public
17 is pushing it if we're not including Canada.
@qcanoe have you heard of this guy? He's up near Sugarloaf. Not sure he's still doing work. Guy I sold my boots to sent me this photo. They're modded Alpine ski boots for hard boot snowboarding.
There's a bunch of info on his site
That's why I pursued it on my own. Now I just need somewhere to practice..