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SL recommendation for light racer

post #1 of 18
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I wondered if there is a manufacturer that is known for making softer sl skis.  My DD skied head sl skis this year and her sl was not as strong as it has been in the past.  Stats:  She is 5'5" 100#, ski was 146 HEAD WC sl.  She loved the ski for free skiing, but found herself clipping gates this season.  I am not sure if it's because she was running a really tight line or if she just couldn't steer the ski as well because of her light weight.  she is a first year u-14, so u-14 again next year.  No worries about FIS regs at her level.  What would you recommend.  I think she will be 5'7-5'8 next year and maybe 110-115 lbs. she is just lanky, so I want to make sure she can maneuver the ski

post #2 of 18
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I should add, she is a great skier.  She made it to States and then advanced from States to Piches, but SL was a thorn in her side this year an in the past, it has been her strength. That may be typical in skier development as she took herself out of her comfort zone quite a bit this year, but we want to get it right for next year!

post #3 of 18
Rossi/Dynastar are talked about as softer flexing. It's the same ski under the paint. Don't think Head is very much stiffer though, but your daughter might like the feel of another brand better.
I have a second year U12 girl this year--83lbs and 145 cm, so petit but rather strong. She's been on Elan RCS 135 for SL and RCG 152 for GS and SG--served her well. But going ca 145/160ish for next year/season. Looking for the best after season deals.
Edited by Karlsson - 8/8/14 at 2:45pm
post #4 of 18

I have not been in the market for Jr. Race skis for a while so take my opinion for whatever it's worth,...

Head was super stiff the last time I looked (about 3-4 years ago). Atomic and Fischer were pretty stiff as well but not as bad. Rossi/Dynastar and Elan is definitely softer, even nowadays. Nordica/Volkl are probably in the middle of the line.

My petite U16 (4'9"/100lb) and retired ex-J3 have skied on nothing but Nordicas since J5 with good success. They have had the red and the younger one just switched over to a new pair of current blue design GSs (163cm). For SL, she uses 141cm.

Now, with regards to her skiing, what boots is she on? That is something you might focus more on. USSA has been talking a lot about boot softening this year.
 

post #5 of 18

A 146 SL sounds just right for a girl that size.  First thing, remember that skill progression in a junior racer is not linear, and frankly is not always only up.  They need to figure their bodies out as they grow.

 

That said, I vote going softer in a junior ski until the kid is clearly overskiing the ski.

 

Head & Fischer are generally stiffer and more suitable to larger/more aggressive kids.

 

Rossi/Dynastar (same skis under the top sheet) and Blizzard/Nordica (again, same skis) tend to be softer in the junior sizes than the offerings from the other companies. 

post #6 of 18
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Thank you.  I think we have the boots just right after having some work done this year.  I REALLY hope she will use the same boot next year!! It's a 70 flex and we had some work done on it this year.  My size 10 foot can squeeze into it, so hopefully, her foot doesn't grow too much.  I appreciate the info on what manufacturers are the same...might have to keep my eye out for a good deal on Rossi/dynastar.  I got an incredible deal on some atomics and will have her try those.  IF she doesn't love them, my other daughter LOVES Atomics (she is a much stronger/heavier kid) and she can grow into them :)  

post #7 of 18
Rossignol | Dynastar | Elan | Volkl

The Elan RCS is a ripping ski... skied a pair a few seasons ago and was shocked at how good junior gear is.
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by SkiDuluth View Post
 

First thing, remember that skill progression in a junior racer is not linear, and frankly is not always only up.  They need to figure their bodies out as they grow.

I second that! As they move up to a higher/older level, you will surely see some of the names change places. It's not unusual. One of the reason is ski racing will become more and more of a mental sport. Furthermore, not only do their bodies change, the focus (on and off course), the desire to race, the aggressiveness etc. also change.

With that said, IMHO, it's far more important to focus on fundamentals. If they master that, results will come. If nothing else, they will at least be great skiers that can ski anything regardless of where they end up.

post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post

Rossignol | Dynastar | Elan | Volkl

The Elan RCS is a ripping ski... skied a pair a few seasons ago and was shocked at how good junior gear is.

Yeah, talked to one of the equipment-specalists in our club and he said that the JR skis are very well built. It is proper race constructions/materials, superior to cheaters and so called beer legaue skis, if you're comparing the "quality".
Edited by Karlsson - 3/20/14 at 1:18am
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by sorcamc View Post
 

Thank you.  I think we have the boots just right after having some work done this year.  I REALLY hope she will use the same boot next year!! It's a 70 flex and we had some work done on it this year.  My size 10 foot can squeeze into it, so hopefully, her foot doesn't grow too much.  I appreciate the info on what manufacturers are the same...might have to keep my eye out for a good deal on Rossi/dynastar.  I got an incredible deal on some atomics and will have her try those.  IF she doesn't love them, my other daughter LOVES Atomics (she is a much stronger/heavier kid) and she can grow into them :)  


Nordica and Blizzard the same too.

post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by Karlsson View Post
 


Nordica and Blizzard the same too.

Are Nordica and Blizzard race stock actually the same these days? I mean, I know its the same factory, but I didn't have them down as sharing R&D like Atomic/Salomon and Rossi/Dynastar.

 

I know their cheaters were very different a few years back - skied the Blizzi GSR in 181cm and fell in love with it. Then found a demo pair of Nordica GSPros going cheap - same year, same length, same dimensions, same factory, similar looking construction. Took a chance on them and hated them. I never found neutral on those skis and our relationship ended with a concussion.

post #12 of 18
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Atomic and Fischer were pretty stiff as well but not as bad. Rossi/Dynastar and Elan is definitely softer, even nowadays. Nordica/Volkl are probably in the middle of the line.

Actually "flexed" my daughters 152 Elan RCG and her friends 155 Fischer (last years with the hole) GS ski, and to my surprise the Elan felt as stiff, or even stiffer. Now, I might be a poor judge of flexes... but the friends dad agreed too. Perhaps the differences are very small? After all, they are designed for children.
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by Squawker View Post

Are Nordica and Blizzard race stock actually the same these days?

That's what I've been told. Jr's are the exact same ski. Different paint job. But I don't think Atomic and Sollie are the same ski.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by Karlsson View Post

Actually "flexed" my daughters 152 Elan RCG and her friends 155 Fischer (last years with the hole) GS ski, and to my surprise the Elan felt as stiff, or even stiffer. Now, I might be a poor judge of flexes... but the friends dad agreed too. Perhaps the differences are very small? After all, they are designed for children.

There are a few brands that flex stiff but ski soft for some reason. Elan is one of them. Rossignol is another. I raced on Elan several years ago, and at the time they were among the stiffest skis out there if you were comparing hand-flexing. On the snow they skied very easy, and were super predictable - no harshness at all. Fischer on the other hand doesn't always flex the stiffest of the big race brands, but they can really kick your ass if you aren't paying attention.
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Karlsson View Post

Actually "flexed" my daughters 152 Elan RCG and her friends 155 Fischer (last years with the hole) GS ski, and to my surprise the Elan felt as stiff, or even stiffer. Now, I might be a poor judge of flexes... but the friends dad agreed too. Perhaps the differences are very small? After all, they are designed for children.

I should also note that Elan GS skis tend to be a bit more tempermental than their SL counterparts. They are fast... but can be challenging to stay in front of.
post #16 of 18
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Let me make sure I am getting this right.  My daughter skied on a 163 cm Nordica Dobermann GSj this year and really LOVED the ski.  She is growing like a weed, so I was looking to get her the same ski in 170.  Unfortunately, I am not having any luck finding new (older model) Dobermann's at a great price, BUT, I have found 2012 Blizzard GS Magnesium Power 170cm Jr Race Skis with Piston Plate.  Do you think that the 2012 Blizzard GS Magnesium power ski is the same exact ski as the Nordica Dobermann GSj??  Thanks!

 

 

post #17 of 18
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not even sure I should change skis given she felt great on 163, but just considering options

post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by sorcamc View Post

Let me make sure I am getting this right.  My daughter skied on a 163 cm Nordica Dobermann GSj this year and really LOVED the ski.  She is growing like a weed, so I was looking to get her the same ski in 170.  Unfortunately, I am not having any luck finding new (older model) Dobermann's at a great price, BUT, I have found 2012 Blizzard GS Magnesium Power 170cm Jr Race Skis with Piston Plate.  Do you think that the 2012 Blizzard GS Magnesium power ski is the same exact ski as the Nordica Dobermann GSj??  Thanks!

Should be identical under the top sheet, but double check with the store. I'm not sure exactly what the various models are called/named.
Edited by Karlsson - 3/27/14 at 9:23am
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