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post #1 of 27
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Ok so I am deciding where to do a season pass next year (I'm 25 so i can do the double down VT pass Mt Snow and stratton, or go with the ski3 again). 

 

This year My girlfriend and I did the ski3 and did 17 days (8 at gore , 7 at whiteface 2 at belleayre). (i think I'm at 30 days total with fly out trips and she is at 26)

 

My girlfriend will still be in college next year so we are stuck with weekend trips and some 3 day weekend trips (for her breaks we fly out or go to larger places like sugarloaf or tremblant).

 

 

So any input on which one i should do. Mind you i normally drive up from north NJ friday night get a hotel and come home sunday after skiing . so as much as i love whitefaces long runs the drive back i don't love (which is why i did gore more this year). 

 

 

Any input from people who ski both? How are the abundance of hotels near mt snow and stratton. A downside is the fact that theres only 1 hotel near gore so we always have a 35 minute drive from the lake george hotels. I love how close lake placid hotels are to whiteface. 

 

 

I also want to get my girlfriend better at glades so how abundant are easier glades at the vermont places. (at gore she can really only do 2 glades and 1 glade at belleayre). 

 

any input is valued, especially if you ski both. Like i said i have only did stratton once but i noticed they were a similar drive to gore, and was thinking of changing it up next year. 

 

If someone could chime in with Whiteface , Gore & belleayre vs Stratton & Mt snow on these categories 

1. how many close hotels are there and how packed do they get? 

2. amount of intermediate/easy glades 

3. snowmaking 

4. anything else you think is relevant

 

thanks sorry if this was a bit incoherent i think ill edit it to make it more readable.  

post #2 of 27

Mount Snow & Stratton had rain this past Wed. Gore & Whiteface had all snow & lots of it. That should answer your question.

post #3 of 27

There are a few small places to stay in North Creek near Gore.  Includes a place that's kind of like a hostel if you are willing to sleep in bunk beds.

 

Can't think of anyone ever talking about glades or trees at Mt. Snow.  Did you look at the EpicSki Reviews?

post #4 of 27
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There are a few small places to stay in North Creek near Gore.  Includes a place that's kind of like a hostel if you are willing to sleep in bunk beds.

Can't think of anyone ever talking about glades or trees at Mt. Snow.  Did you look at the EpicSki Reviews?

No where do I find them

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Mount Snow & Stratton had rain this past Wed. Gore & Whiteface had all snow & lots of it. That should answer your question.

So pretty much the higher elevation and georgraphical localation means whiteface and gore should have longer snow seasons ?

I know killington and hunter go HAM with making snow . Does their snowmaking make up for it or in your opinion it's not worth it that's why you prefer gore and whiteface . And I was just at gore took Friday off was very nice
post #5 of 27

To find EpicSki Reviews, you need to get to the webpage for that resort.  Can start with the Resorts hotline on the menu bar (between Gear and Forums).  To make it simpler, I added tags for the places you mentioned.  Look on the right hand column for Topics Discussed to find those links.

 

Since you are mostly skiing on weekends, whether or not lifelines are long is a factor to keep in mind.  Sometimes a longer drive is worth it.

 

Have you ever considered Plattekill?

post #6 of 27

 I live in north NJ and regularly ski Gore/WF and Stratton

 

Driving to Stratton on Fri night and back on Sun afternoon is a pain compared to Gore. Mt Snow might be worse than Stratton. Once you hit Troy, NY, you have 60-70 miles of one lane in each direction to get to Mt Snow or Stratton. It takes me about 3:10 to get to Gore no matter what. Stratton is usually 3:30 to 4hrs depending on traffic.

 

There are a lot more places to stay in the Stratton area including down in Manchester. Mt Snow also has more places to stay compared to Gore. There are places to stay in North Creek (Gore). If you go enough a seasonal rental might make sense in North Creek. The drive to WF is about 1:20 from Gore/North Creek.

 

Stratton and Mt Snow will always be way more crowded than Gore.

 

Always. More. Crowded. Gore almost never has lift lines.

 

The terrain at Stratton is less interesting than Gore, but they have more powerful snowmaking and seem to get a little more natural snow than Gore. Bromley and Magic are nice areas that are very close to Stratton although they do not share passes. Stratton has more après ski than North Creek. Except for the Bromley/Magic part, the same applies to Mt Snow. I happen to like the terrain and lifts at Stratton vs Mt Snow.

 

Stratton has an upscale vibe that is way different than the Gore/WF rustic vibe. Both Mt Snow and Stratton have loads of slope side housing and Gore has zero.

 

The Gore/WF/Belle triple pass is a monster. Being able to hit up Belle when you can't drive up to Gore/WF is huge. The fact that you can hit all three places would have me lean to the Triple pass. You should try Stratton and/or Mt Snow to see which one works for you. If you decided to hit Stratton or Mt Snow for next season you will still have a good time.

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post #7 of 27
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 I live in north NJ and regularly ski Gore/WF and Stratton

Driving to Stratton on Fri night and back on Sun afternoon is a pain compared to Gore. Mt Snow might be worse than Stratton. Once you hit Troy, NY, you have 60-70 miles of one lane in each direction to get to Mt Snow or Stratton. It takes me about 3:10 to get to Gore no matter what. Stratton is usually 3:30 to 4hrs depending on traffic.

There are a lot more places to stay in the Stratton area including down in Manchester. Mt Snow also has more places to stay compared to Gore. There are places to stay in North Creek (Gore). If you go enough a seasonal rental might make sense in North Creek. The drive to WF is about 1:20 from Gore/North Creek.

Stratton and Mt Snow will always be way more crowded than Gore.

Always. More. Crowded. Gore almost never has lift lines.

The terrain at Stratton is less interesting than Gore, but they have more powerful snowmaking and seem to get a little more natural snow than Gore. Bromley and Magic are nice areas that are very close to Stratton although they do not share passes. Stratton has more après ski than North Creek. Except for the Bromley/Magic part, the same applies to Mt Snow. I happen to like the terrain and lifts at Stratton vs Mt Snow.

Stratton has an upscale vibe that is way different than the Gore/WF rustic vibe. Both Mt Snow and Stratton have loads of slope side housing and Gore has zero.

The Gore/WF/Belle triple pass is a monster. Being able to hit up Belle when you can't drive up to Gore/WF is huge. The fact that you can hit all three places would have me lean to the Triple pass. You should try Stratton and/or Mt Snow to see which one works for you. If you decided to hit Stratton or Mt Snow for next season you will still have a good time.
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Yeah I loath vermonts crappy roads , getting to killington sucks , and it doesn't matter how awesome your car and snows are because you always have 35 mph drivers to pass .

Assuming you could teleport to mt snow and stratton or teleport to gore and whiteface where would you go ?


I think route 87 may be the tiebreaker for me
post #8 of 27
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Yeah I loath vermonts crappy roads , getting to killington sucks , and it doesn't matter how awesome your car and snows are because you always have 35 mph drivers to pass .

Assuming you could teleport to mt snow and stratton or teleport to gore and whiteface where would you go ?


I think route 87 may be the tiebreaker for me


Yeah getting to Killington sucks, especially on weekends with all those Joey's in their awesome cars with snows on crappy VT. roads trying to pass cars doing the speed limit or just above. Mondays seem to be much more mellow than dealing with those knuckleheads.

 

If I could teleport myself I'd much rather transport to a place like Verbier over any place in the northeast.

 

By the way 87 sucks


Edited by steamboat1 - 3/15/14 at 9:31pm
post #9 of 27
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Yeah I loath vermonts crappy roads , getting to killington sucks , and it doesn't matter how awesome your car and snows are because you always have 35 mph drivers to pass .

Assuming you could teleport to mt snow and stratton or teleport to gore and whiteface where would you go ?


I think route 87 may be the tiebreaker for me


I would still choose Gore due to the lack of crowds and terrain. You can always find un-crowded skiing somewhere at Gore. Non-holiday weekends at Stratton are not so bad. It is just that Gore is better. Holidays at Stratton are another story.

 

Steamboat1 - 87 sucks? 87 from Albany to Lake George is 3 lanes of an easy 75mph or more if you are careful. Maybe you are referring to 87 between NJ and Albany. The ride north from NJ to Albany on a Friday night is tough and the ride home on prime winter Sundays and holiday Mondays from Albany to NJ can be a horror show. From NJ that is the only choice for NYS and VT from Sugarbush south.

post #10 of 27
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I would still choose Gore due to the lack of crowds and terrain. You can always find un-crowded skiing somewhere at Gore. Non-holiday weekends at Stratton are not so bad. It is just that Gore is better. Holidays at Stratton are another story.

Steamboat1 - 87 sucks? 87 from Albany to Lake George is 3 lanes of an easy 75mph or more if you are careful. Maybe you are referring to 87 between NJ and Albany. The ride north from NJ to Albany on a Friday night is tough and the ride home on prime winter Sundays and holiday Mondays from Albany to NJ can be a horror show. From NJ that is the only choice for NYS and VT from Sugarbush south.

Yeah what drives me nuts is the slow lifts at gore and the lifts that don't give you a lot of vertical namely that two seater and the 3 person lift near the summit lift .


How bad are lines at stratton mount snow , like whiteface with no gondola running bad ?

Mind you I grew up skiing at camelback and mountain creek so not much gets worse than that .
post #11 of 27
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Mind you I grew up skiing at camelback and mountain creek so not much gets worse than that .

 

Pretty much sums up skiing in general.:eek

post #12 of 27
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Yeah what drives me nuts is the slow lifts at gore and the lifts that don't give you a lot of vertical namely that two seater and the 3 person lift near the summit lift .


How bad are lines at stratton mount snow , like whiteface with no gondola running bad ?

Mind you I grew up skiing at camelback and mountain creek so not much gets worse than that .

 

The Ursa HS6 and the gondola are the most crowded lifts at Stratton. They can drift up to a 15 minute wait during weekends. The Sunrise HS6 out of the Sun Bowl would be next for long waits, but it is really variable. The Snowbowl FGQ almost never has a line but it is closed for wind and during low attendance days. The Shooting Star HS6 above the Sunrise almost never has a line. It serves about 700 vertical.

 

I haven't skied Mt Snow enough in recent years to have an accurate opinion.

post #13 of 27
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Decided on whiteface and gore over the southern vt mountains . This past weekend summed it up . Stratton got ice and rain whiteface for 8" of snow .
post #14 of 27

Yuik,

 

How did your 2014-2015 season go w/ 3ski?

 

Of the three mountains WF, Gore, or Bellearye which do you prefer?

 

I skied at Bellearye this April and had a great time although I just did a day trip.

For me, WF and Gore are longer drives than Bellearye from central NJ.

 

Thanks.

post #15 of 27
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G


How did your 2014-2015 season go w/ 3ski?

Of the three mountains WF, Gore, or Bellearye which do you prefer?

I skied at Bellearye this April and had a great time although I just did a day trip.
For me, WF and Gore are longer drives than Bellearye from central NJ.

Thanks.
Grey I abolsutely looooove Gore. They have slow lifts but it's so easy to avoid the crowd because all the lifts are spread out. Also the fact that there's only 2 hotels in the town helps so we normally stay near lake george (there's nightlife there too).

If your a good skier gore has some incredible glades. There's also a bit of diversity of on gores 3 peaks.

If you love vertical and long rides , and kickass groomers whiteface can't be touched. I was a mediocre GS racer and I feel like I am one of the guys in the 1980 Olympics (which was in lake placid / whiteface). The verticle is so fun it's pretty close to west coast as you will get here (maybe killington tremblant and sugarloaf are closer). Also lake placid kicks every other east coasts ski towns ass other than tremblant. Great nightlife , great food , a lot of hotels , dog sledding and ice skating . What's notnto love about great placid and it's only 10 miles from whiteface. Honestly check it out on a weekend and take Monday off too. Also whitefaces summit is really cool and if you want steep fast nothing compares to the run right to the left of the summit chair.

If your going during a busy weekend say presidents day I would say hit gore because you can avoid the lift lines by staying away from the gondola.

Honestly try them all both of them are night and day better than belleayre. Though I finally did cathedrals run and minus the hike it was cool.

But come on does belleayre have this
post #16 of 27
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Oh by the way I decided neither the Maxx pass was just too good. It has the best resorts in the east plus plenty of good fly out places. But killington sugarloaf tremblant all on the same pass? Sign me up. Also I have never been to Sunday river that's the last good place on the east I need to visit
post #17 of 27

Nice photo. :D

 

But come on does belleayre have this

Possibly if I fall off the trail? ;)

 

I assume that someone can ski through those trees.

 

I never skied through the trees, but it looks like it could be fun. (at least from the pictures I have seen)

 

Good to hear that you found a better deal for skiing. :yahoo:

 

Someday I will get to Gore and Whiteface.  

post #18 of 27
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Whiteface may be more fun. I would try there if you don't do trees. Right off the gondola there's a section where there's 3 blues. This one blue is most likely my favorite blue ever (I have been to big sky Mt alta snowbird Vail etc), I forgot the name of it but it's in the middle and it has some cool banked turns and it's naturally twisty the entire run. Very fun
post #19 of 27
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But come on does belleayre have this

Long shot.. but, is that photo of Boreas Glades at Gore? :-D
post #20 of 27
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Long shot.. but, is that photo of Boreas Glades at Gore? :-D
No it's hudson glades or ski bowl glades skiers left when your coming down 49er right under the lift at little gore .
post #21 of 27
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Oh by the way I decided neither the Maxx pass was just too good. It has the best resorts in the east plus plenty of good fly out places. But killington sugarloaf tremblant all on the same pass? Sign me up. Also I have never been to Sunday river that's the last good place on the east I need to visit

I visited Sunday River for the first time this year in January. It was the week of the blizzard of 2015 and got very lucky with 18" of snow on Tuesday.biggrin.gif I loved it, even more than Killington, as it seemed like there were longer runs with less crossings to complicate the flow of the skiers. Its big as well, but I'm not much of a tree skier at my size (6"7") so can't comment on those. It's a 10-12 hour drive from west of Philly so won't be going back next season, but I do plan to visit again sometime in the coming seasons.
post #22 of 27
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Oh by the way I decided neither the Maxx pass was just too good. It has the best resorts in the east plus plenty of good fly out places. But killington sugarloaf tremblant all on the same pass? Sign me up. Also I have never been to Sunday river that's the last good place on the east I need to visit


Have you been to Wildcat in NH?  If not, could be worth a stop when driving to Sunday River.  Especially if visibility happens to be good.  Quite the opposite of SR.  But the high speed lift to the summit with no line and plenty of vertical makes for a lot of skiing in a day at quite a good price.

post #23 of 27
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No it's hudson glades or ski bowl glades skiers left when your coming down 49er right under the lift at little gore .

Ah... Ski Bowl Glades was my second thought lol... based on the shape of the terrain and type of trees.
post #24 of 27

Don't mean to be rude and butt-in, but here are a few photos from Whiteface, some good stuff there!

Cloudsplitter Glades:

LL

 

10th Mtn Div Glade:

LL

 

Upper Skyward (trail to lookers left of Summit Quad chair):

LL

post #25 of 27
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I visited Sunday River for the first time this year in January. It was the week of the blizzard of 2015 and got very lucky with 18" of snow on Tuesday.biggrin.gif I loved it, even more than Killington, as it seemed like there were longer runs with less crossings to complicate the flow of the skiers. Its big as well, but I'm not much of a tree skier at my size (6"7") so can't comment on those. It's a 10-12 hour drive from west of Philly so won't be going back next season, but I do plan to visit again sometime in the coming seasons.
Yeah I can't wait the videos look awesome
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Ah... Ski Bowl Glades was my second thought lol... based on the shape of the terrain and type of trees.

Where are some of the easiest glades at gore? The ones at burnt ridge look impossible and I am not that great yet, which other ones should I check out? I have done that little one off the gondola peak that ends at the summit chair

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Don't mean to be rude and butt-in, but here are a few photos from Whiteface, some good stuff there!
Cloudsplitter Glades:
LL


10th Mtn Div Glade:
LL


Upper Skyward (trail to lookers left of Summit Quad chair):
LL

I love upper skyward I think that's where I got my fastest speed ever on ski tracks 58ish , still haven't toped my gfs 62 mph max at big sky.

Where do you enter those top glades those look to be on my skill level but I have no clue where to hit them.

The 2nd set is normally next to that icy trail and after hitting that I always pass on the trees thinking it's just as bad.

Also the little glades near the bunny hill 3 seater lift and merging to the terrain park are pretty easy if your not that good like me.
post #26 of 27
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Where are some of the easiest glades at gore? The ones at burnt ridge look impossible and I am not that great yet, which other ones should I check out? I have done that little one off the gondola peak that ends at the summit chair
 

 

 

I have skied nearly all of them.  Let me break them down for you, as the trail ratings do not show their variability:

 

NOT-REALLY-GLADES

 - High Pines

 - Double Barrel

 

(  ) Easier:

 - Half 'n' Half (FLAT)

 - Rabbit Run (FLAT)

 - Otter Slide Glades (WIDE OPEN)

 - Ridge Runner Glades (WIDE OPEN)

 

[  ] Intermediate:

 - Kill Kare Glades (WIDE OPEN)

 - Birch Bark Alley (FLAT, STEEP FINISH)

 - Boreas Glades (WIDE OPEN)

 - Chatterbox Glades (WIDE OPEN)

 - Cirque Glades

 - McIntyre Glades (TIGHT SECTIONS, FLATTER)

 - Sagamore Glades

 - Tahawus Glades (WIDE OPEN)

 - Twister Glades

 

<> Advanced:

 - Abenaki Glades

 - Barkeater Glades (TIGHT SECTIONS)

 - Cave Glades (MED SPACING, STEEPER)

 - Darby Woods (MED SPACING)

 - Dark Side Glades (TIGHT SECTIONS, w/ OPEN LIFTLINE)

 - Mineshaft Glades

 - Pinebrook Glades (MED SPACING, STEEPER)

 - Ski Bowl Glades (MED SPACING, STEEPER)

 - Straightbrook Glades (MED SPACING, STEEPER)

 - The Narrows (VERY TIGHT)

 

<><> Expert:

 - Chatiemac Glades (SMALL CLIFFS)

 

TERRAIN PARK GLADES

 - Forever Wild

 

 

 

**NOTE: The glades for which I have nothing in parentheses I have either not skied or don't remember them well.

post #27 of 27

If you want to drive a little further, Sugarbush in Warren, VT does an unrestricted season pass for anyone under 30 for around $350. That is a screaming deal for a great mountain. Even this year, they have had plenty of snow the times I have been up there. I have spent 9 days this season up there over 3 trips. The first trip in early January was only half open but it was weekdays so we had the mountain to ourselves. Then the next two trips were late Jan and the mountain was 100% open. Even had good coverage in some woods areas! I enjoy that mountain a lot and even with the 6 hour drive from central NJ, I will be getting another season pass next year. It has more than paid for itself already this year.

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