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Quads hurting, ruling my trip. Any advice?

post #1 of 14
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Hey guys. I bought salomon Xpro 120 boots had them cooked to my feet and bought new k2 2013 amp rictors. I had skied the rictors last year and loved them. I did not have the leg problem last year.

I work out with weights and do cardio 5 days per week so I thought I would be in good shape to ski. I am a big guy 6'2 " 260 lbs. someone told me yesterday I might be in the backseat. I tried to purposely lean forward but they still hurt to the point I don't want to ski. Any ideas on how to fix this? They hurt from the first to the last run.

My ideas are that packing out my new boots hurt my feet causing the pain to my legs. Somehow the symmetry of the boot ski combo is off like I lean too far forward in the boots all the time. They do seem to lean forward more than rental boots. Thanks. I'm here skiing vail this week.
post #2 of 14

My first guess is that you are not set up in your boots properly, and you need to see a boot fitter.  At Vail, the guy to see is Greg Hoffmann at SBF (Ski Boot Fitting, Inc) -- he has a shop at the base and may still have a small shop on the mountain. 

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Originally Posted by bbinder View Post
 

My first guess is that you are not set up in your boots properly, and you need to see a boot fitter.  At Vail, the guy to see is Greg Hoffmann at SBF (Ski Boot Fitting, Inc) -- he has a shop at the base and may still have a small shop on the mountain. 

While I agree about seeing a boot fitter, Greg is not at Vail anymore, but the shop he set up has top notch bootfitters.  Vail Mountain Sports/Ski Boot Fitting. 

 

Greg is now at Beaver Creek Sports at Beaver Creek.  The shops he sets up have some of the best boot fitters in the area. 

post #4 of 14

I don't think this is a boot issue but I could be wrong.  I've had a similar issue in the past and it was because I was standing too upright and really fighting the skis in the turn.  Is tis the first time skiing in both the boots and the skis?  I know I can get my thighs to burn when skiing in soft snow.  Did you ski at Vail last year as well?  What are the conditions you are used to skiing in?

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I don't think this is a boot issue but I could be wrong.  I've had a similar issue in the past and it was because I was standing too upright and really fighting the skis in the turn.  Is tis the first time skiing in both the boots and the skis?  I know I can get my thighs to burn when skiing in soft snow.  Did you ski at Vail last year as well?  What are the conditions you are used to skiing in?

With respect, but quad burn isn't generally caused by standing too upright, but usually 'squatting'. For most rec skiers, quads burn when the skeleton isn't aligned and helping to resist the forces generated by your skiing. The OP is 260 lbs. The Xmax 120 isn't a particularly stiff boot. He might be folding the boot. binding ramp angle could be a factor. Lack of dorsiflexion might play a role. Hard to say... Time for a visit to the boot fitter. A qualified instructor/coach should be able to see what's going on as well.
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With respect, but quad burn isn't generally caused by standing too upright, but usually 'squatting'. For most rec skiers, quads burn when the skeleton isn't aligned and helping to resist the forces generated by your skiing. The OP is 260 lbs. The Xmax 120 isn't a particularly stiff boot. He might be folding the boot. binding ramp angle could be a factor. Lack of dorsiflexion might play a role. Hard to say... Time for a visit to the boot fitter. A qualified instructor/coach should be able to see what's going on as well.

I'm actually about the same size as the OP and I used to get thigh burn after skiing.  The issue for me was I was working my thighs too much in turns.  I was not in a squat position and fighting to keep that upright stance by pushing down with my legs.  Basically I was too stiff in the legs and that lead to my legs feeling dead at the end of a day.  It was a lot more pronounced on soft snow vs hard snow.  Once I got a lot softer in my legs the burn issue left me.

post #7 of 14

If you can get a video of yourself skiing, that might help determine the cause. There are some true experts here.

 

I know the most common quad issue is in fact being in the back seat. If your new boots are trying to orient you in a more forward position than your old ones and you're still trying to lean back out of habit (which would require near constant leg-bend/squatting with boots that have a more forward stance), that would increase the strain on your quads even more. If you aren't already, think about feeling pressure against the tongue of boots and staying in an athletic stance from there. 

post #8 of 14

How much skiing have you done this year?  I don't care how much running or lifting weights people do, its not the same as actually skiing. Sure there are lots of things that could be adding to it, but it could just be muscle fatigue if you haven't done much skiing this year.

post #9 of 14

Quads hurt for several reasons, one of which is getting in the back seat.  Another is that you're building up lactic acid in your muscles, which can and does happen on vacation when you're not used to skiing the terrain you ski on vacation and you don't hydrate enough, or maybe hydrate too much. 

 

Try taking a "Cal/mag/zinc" vitamin or two every day, check your stance in your boots to see if you're forward lean is correct, and allow your muscles to rest every once in a while. 

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Originally Posted by billy94z View Post

Hey guys. I bought salomon Xpro 120 boots had them cooked to my feet and bought new k2 2013 amp rictors. I had skied the rictors last year and loved them. I did not have the leg problem last year.

I work out with weights and do cardio 5 days per week so I thought I would be in good shape to ski. I am a big guy 6'2 " 260 lbs. someone told me yesterday I might be in the backseat. I tried to purposely lean forward but they still hurt to the point I don't want to ski. Any ideas on how to fix this? They hurt from the first to the last run.

My ideas are that packing out my new boots hurt my feet causing the pain to my legs. Somehow the symmetry of the boot ski combo is off like I lean too far forward in the boots all the time. They do seem to lean forward more than rental boots. Thanks. I'm here skiing vail this week.

The packing out idea is questionable. Sounds like it's a forward lean issue, front support issue.  As markojp pointed out, the xmax 120 isn't exactly super stiff.

You didn't have this problem with the quads in rental boots?

 

You should stop wasting your vacation and go to the boot shop immediately. Quad burn blows. I've been there with a new boot that wasn't right.

 

Wow, didn't know that Greg was at Beaver Creek these days.

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Wow, didn't know that Greg was at Beaver Creek these days.

Apparently, me neither!

post #12 of 14
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Thanks for the replies. My legs hurt less today. I saw a boot fitter and he wanted to put a gas pedal on (wedge under the tow) but the Xpro does not allow as it is hollow. He told me to stand up straighter and not bend my knees.

I only ski vail at spring break 1 time every year. Chris at the shop at chair 4 did not even charge me. I tried to tip him and he would not accept. Nice guy. Thanks again. My theory is the salomon are a more forward set up than rental boots I had in the past so I need to stand up straighter or my technique was off.
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


With respect, but quad burn isn't generally caused by standing too upright, but usually 'squatting'. For most rec skiers, quads burn when the skeleton isn't aligned and helping to resist the forces generated by your skiing. The OP is 260 lbs. The Xmax 120 isn't a particularly stiff boot. He might be folding the boot. binding ramp angle could be a factor. Lack of dorsiflexion might play a role. Hard to say... Time for a visit to the boot fitter. A qualified instructor/coach should be able to see what's going on as well.

 

 

usually untill you get in 3d terrain

 

when i switched to my KR2 which are way more upright then the old style Krypton my quads screamed for day till I ramped them back forward again. The problem was really bad in bumps. 

 

The qualified boot fitters in town thought I was crazy trying to go back to the "old" more forward ramp, but afterwards everything worked out tons better.

 

 

I oculd be the exception and not the rule but I honestly despise the new 'upright" boots. 

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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

 

usually untill you get in 3d terrain

 

when i switched to my KR2 which are way more upright then the old style Krypton my quads screamed for day till I ramped them back forward again. The problem was really bad in bumps. 

 

The qualified boot fitters in town thought I was crazy trying to go back to the "old" more forward ramp, but afterwards everything worked out tons better.

 

 

I oculd be the exception and not the rule but I honestly despise the new 'upright" boots. 

 

What setting did you use in your old Kryptons?  I have been experimenting with the older style Kryptons and am curious. 

 

I normally use the middle forward lean setting - 13 degrees, I think.  I don't seem to notice a downside to moving to the 15 degree setting, and when I try drills like the Javelin turn, it seems easier to balance with the greater forward lean, so I am thinking about leaving it there for a while.  I recall that I originally picked the middle setting because the greater forward lean seemed to tire my thighs when I had a long, flat run out area.  It was fine on steeper terrain.

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