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Metal vs. Non-metal for Shorter Heavy Guy (Kabookie vs. Bonafide)

post #1 of 13
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I have been reading and researching alot on these great boards looking to get a new pair of skis. One thing I wondered is metal vs nonmetal for someone my size. I am 5'7.5", and 225lbs. Do I automatically go nonmetal because of my size as a general rule of thumb? Or should I also look at nonmetal skis. I was able to demo several pairs of skis my last trip, but now that I am back I am considering the 2 pairs I enjoyed the most the Bonafide and the Kabookie and not sure which direction to go.

I am an intermediate advance skier mainly out west but based on the EC. Ski blues/double blues front and back and looking for a ski I can grow with as I advance. Don't ski bumps yet and started tree skiing and enjoyed it but still slow to adapt. Kabookie or Bonafide for someone my size? Also, I am stuck deciding between 173 or 180. Any and all help is greatly appreciated and thank you in advance.
post #2 of 13

Both are outstanding skis.  The 173 may seem playful due to its shorter length, but in the long run you'll enjoy the 180 more because of its ability to support you better off piste and in deeper snow.  I'm looking to get the Kabookie as my AT ski because of its lighter weight, but I think you should get the Bonafide because of its metal layer.  It's a fantastic ski that is a perfect one ski quiver for skiing mainly in the West. 

 

Good Luck!

 

T. - www.wasatchreport.com

post #3 of 13

Your height has less to do with which construction you should pick but has more of in influence on length.   Your

weight is what should determine metal vs. non metal.   At 225 I would go with the metal in the Bonafide.  It will

provide you with much better performance on firmer snow and also dampen out the ride.   As an intermediate to

advanced intermediate I would lean more towards the 173 than the 180.

post #4 of 13

Bonafide did not feel at all stiff to me, In fact I thought it a little smushy underfoot.  I am 5"11 183 Lbs. 

 

I would go metal all the way, but to be honest, I didn't care for the ski. 

 

Other skis to consider:

 

Atomic Alibi

 

Rossi E98

 

Atomic Ritual

post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by WasatchReport View Post

Both are outstanding skis.  The 173 may seem playful due to its shorter length, but in the long run you'll enjoy the 180 more because of its ability to support you better off piste and in deeper snow.  I'm looking to get the Kabookie as my AT ski because of its lighter weight, but I think you should get the Bonafide because of its metal layer.  It's a fantastic ski that is a perfect one ski quiver for skiing mainly in the West. 

Good Luck!

T. - www.wasatchreport.com
Thank you so much for your reply. Im stuck on length mainly because I was able to demo a large variety of skis on my trip, but mostly all in the wrong lengths due to availability. All mostly felt too short or too long. The ones that felt pretty close to perfect from a length perspective were the hell n back 177 and the rtm 84 177. I didnt love those skis as much as the 2 blizzards, but since I enjoyed the 177 length does that still go with your recommendation for the 180 or should I go 173? Thanks again for the great advice.
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Originally Posted by wasatchback View Post

Your height has less to do with which construction you should pick but has more of in influence on length.   Your
weight is what should determine metal vs. non metal.   At 225 I would go with the metal in the Bonafide.  It will
provide you with much better performance on firmer snow and also dampen out the ride.   As an intermediate to
advanced intermediate I would lean more towards the 173 than the 180.
Your advice makes alot of sense now that I think about it. I think I was just impressed by how similar and what a great job blizzard did with the Kabookie being a nonmetal ski that can really hold edge just like the Hell N Back. I noticed a little chatter with the HNB, not in the Kabookie, but both were really stable skis. With the bonafide, in line with your comments above, I found the bonafide allowed me to just explore! Im kinda leaning towards the 180, I just really hope its not gonna be too much ski for me. I want a ski I can stick with for awhile as I advance. Do you think I would be able to do that with the 173 as I get better? Thanks again for the help.
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by wasatchback View Post
 

Your height has less to do with which construction you should pick but has more of in influence on length.   Your

weight is what should determine metal vs. non metal.   At 225 I would go with the metal in the Bonafide.  It will

provide you with much better performance on firmer snow and also dampen out the ride.   As an intermediate to

advanced intermediate I would lean more towards the 173 than the 180.

^^^ This.  

He knows of what he speaks. 

post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

Bonafide did not feel at all stiff to me, In fact I thought it a little smushy underfoot.  I am 5"11 183 Lbs. 

I would go metal all the way, but to be honest, I didn't care for the ski. 

Other skis to consider:

Atomic Alibi

Rossi E98

Atomic Ritual
It looks like I am going to go metal since its the general consensus and I really enjoyed the metal skis I tried. I was able to try the e98 but I thought it was alittle to much ski for me at my level. I bet alot of people really love the way it just rips though. I enjoyed how nimble the bonafide was, almost like it was a 90-95 waisted ski.

The alibi was on my initial list because I grew up with atomic and love it, but I couldnt find a demo of anything atomic anywhere. Same with the ritual. Everwhere I read said definitely go ritual over alibi, so it was at the top of my list but I dont think I could buy a ski without demoing.

I was able to get on the Theory. Are all the 3 vantage series ski the same except for the waist of 95,98 and 103? Could you compare the Ritual to the Bonafide by any chance? I just spent about 2 hrs looking for a comparison review without any luck. Thanks again for the good advice.
post #9 of 13

2 sets of Bones on hand here and a close buddy w/ Bones (Bonafide's)................. go w/ the 180's............ I'm 6' 215 and I'm on 180's.......... my buddy is a strong intermediate and he is 5' 10"........ 150 range and swears by the 180........... this ski feels short so 173 will leave you lacking as you advance.................

post #10 of 13

OP, I think that you will really like the Bones.  I picked up them up at earlier this season and I've been loving them so far.  I'm on the EC and ski mainly in Vermont.  180 would probably be perfect for you.  I'm 6'2" and about 75lbs heavier than you and I'm on 187s.  This past weekend i skiied them solely on groomers and they were still super fun.


Edited by ragazzo - 3/11/14 at 7:06pm
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by Yo Momma View Post

2 sets of Bones on hand here and a close buddy w/ Bones (Bonafide's)................. go w/ the 180's............ I'm 6' 215 and I'm on 180's.......... my buddy is a strong intermediate and he is 5' 10"........ 150 range and swears by the 180........... this ski feels short so 173 will leave you lacking as you advance.................
Thanks for the advice. Looks like I'm headed in this direction I just wanted to ask, since it looks like you have alot of experience, about bindings. Ive read alot the last couple days about bindings and wanted to know which you and your friends ride on your bones? Trying to decide and it looks like everyone suggests salomon sth2 13 or look 14, wanted to see which you rode and feedback.

Dont know if this matters but I just got new boots this season, salomon x pro 120. So do I automatically lean to the salomon sth2, especially with adjustable toe height feature? Or is look pivots the way to go? Thanks for the help.
post #12 of 13

No worries............. to be honest I bought the Bones a few years ago............ so I got some kind of Look design binding ........... it's a Rossi binding of some kind or other......... they are all decent now.......... unless you're at olympic or death defying levels you won't notice which binding is on your ski......... just get something that looks good and handles your weight..........anyone that has "Binding Snob" tendencies just needs to pay out and get a pair of Rossi FKS's as they are bulletproof........Only in ORANGE though! LOL......

 

Personally, I always buy Marker Griffon Schizo's now........... yes there are tons of better bindings out there...........(flame war!) ........... but the Schizo's have never let me down ........... if you're launching 15 footers or higher, you might want to look into something else, but for us mere mortals the Schizo's are relatively cheap, you can buy them and get them serviced anywhere, they allow you to switch skis w/ your friends by accommodating different boots sizes on the fly, and most importantly allow you to easily, on the fly,  adjust where you are on the ski.............. some days I want to be fwd on the ski, some days I want to be in the back seat w/ a long shovel........... that's a great feature that allows you to fine tune your ski to your mood and the snow........makes it all more interesting..........Love it!!!!!!!!!

post #13 of 13
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Straightforward, practical, sound advice. I think that may be the best and first post of its kind I have ever read on these boards! Thanks again, Yo! And to everyone else on this thread as well, a great great help. Many thanks!
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