Originally Posted by Oleg S
oops! Lange is leaking? Still? Well, I am not really sure that $500+ boots should leak.
Does anyone know if RS has this issue as well. I mean, if RX is leaking and RS is not, then there is no issue with the choice, I'll go with RS.
"That was easy"
O, I've been skiing the RX 130 all season, nearly 30+ days so far, and leaking has been a non-issue. In fact I skied last Saturday through driving rain at Alpental and the only things that were dry were my feet (and my core - shout out to Arc'teryx). As a western free skier, the RX makes more sense than the RS, the rubber sole is a nice feature for booting around (even if your boot packing is limited to the parking lot and the lodge). I like them. They perform well for me.
One word of caution - I recall that you have Bonafides with Griffons. The Griffons do require a fair amount of downward pressure to engage at higher DINS (10ish). So losing a ski in soft snow or on a steep can be a drama. The rubber sole on the RX doesn't help in this regard.
One other point, Lange can be a great boot if it works for your feet. But you if you go with a Lange, particularly one as stiff and serious as a RX/RS 130, you should be prepared to work with a good fitter making adjustments along the way. I think it took me 4 visits, a little bit at a time, to get both boots dialed this season. If you are doing this on the cheap or at a shop that doesn't consider fit adjustments to be part of the deal, you should really consider (a) another shop or (b) a more neutral boot that is more likely to work, right out of the box.
The bigger issue, personalized advice to you, is why the RX or RS 130? The reason that I'd consider another boot fitter in this case is that it isn't clear whether your fitter is asking the correct "qualifying questions."
Based on your posts of the past 12 months, it seems that your sole qualification for such a "strong" boot is body weight. I wonder about the other factors, the ones that matter even more.
Last winter, you began a search for skis as an "intermediate to advanced" skier looking for an all mountain ride for 50% groomers in Tahoe. You wanted something wider than your old Atomics. You were looking to expand into off-piste skiing and "some" bumps. Fair enough. I would be looking for a quiver upgrade also. Your profile says that you ski 10+ days a season. After a bunch of threads, you settled on the Bonafides, although it is not clear whether that was based on any on-mountain trial or any well considered preferences (beyond favoring a ski that was well reviewed). Nor is it evident (at least to me), despite all of the glowing reviews on Epic and elsewhere, that the Bonafide is really a great choice for an intermediate spending 50% time on groomers. Whatever. You are a bigger dude and apparently you like the platform, regardless of whether you are really driving it. Awesome. Great skis. Robust aftermarket, so virtually zero risk. And your enjoyment of them is really up to you alone.
By fall, your threads since evolved to binding choices, powder skis and boots, all the while you have evolved into an "advanced but not aggressive" skier. Not sure what that means. Did something change, technically? Were you skiing in South America last summer? Did you get in 30-40 ski days in the last 12 months? What moved the dial? Tahoe is dealing with the worst year on record (in a string of pretty bad ones), so I find that a breakthrough is somewhat unlikely - unless there is an epic trip report that I missed.
As of February, you had not skied your own Bonafides yet due to bony conditions, but you demoed a pair (once?) and had trouble on firm groomers. I would not describe the Bonafides as an ice pick, but relative to most 98ish all mountain rides, they are pretty good in firm conditions. So, first qualifying question. . . how are you liking them? Do you ride the Bonafides with confidence, in the fall line across truly all-mountain conditions at the Tahoe resorts? That would include off-piste skiing, which always includes bumps and natural features on a non-powder day.
Second qualifying question. . . what does an average day at Tahoe look like for you? Which resort, which runs? I am not an expert on Tahoe, but this board is littered with Tahoe skiers. And with the answer to this question, in an instant any of those folks could "qualify" or "disqualify" you from this class of boot - again not the model, that is fit dependent, but whether you should be in a 130 flex Lange, broadly.
And that is the answer to your boot question. If you aren't railing the Bonafides all over the mountain, why such a stiff boot as the RS or RX? Why are you making your ski life harder? If you like the shape of the Lange, why not a mellower flex that might making skiing more fun in more places and help you advance. Try some other brands for fit comparison. If you like the Lange forefoot and volume, you should at least slip on an Atomic Hawx and see if it works. You could ski a 120 - so you'd have a reasonably 'bro number on the boot - and it might flex easier than a Lange 130 for you which will help off-piste and in bumps.
I am not trying to rain on your stoke. . . and I think that you are attracted to quality products - all of which hit my personal preference zone. But when you begin the quest from the standpoint of "reviews" either professional or lay, you are likely to miss out on equipment that you'd really like that is better tuned to your reality. Ego is also a dangerous thing. Go to a quality shop. Put the computer and the magazines away. Be honest about where you ski, how you ski and see what they recommend - not what you are interested in. When I buy boots, I never tell my fitter which models I am interested in. I want to know what he recommends - and I have pretty well developed ideas about gear and have been doing this for a while. I also do not look at or consider prices until the very end of the process (boot has been selected). I know that level of trust and investment doesn't work for everyone, but that is my opinion of the best way to do it - in my experience, price (higher or lower) has virtually nothing to offer the calculus around optimal fit and price differences within a class of boot are marginal when extended out across the life of the boot.
It is fine to buy the wrong skis, that is just money, you can flip them and eventually you figure out what you like. But it is horrible to buy the wrong boots either from a fit or flex perspective. That ruins seasons. Trust me, I've done it.