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Kastle MX83 v. FX84

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I skied the Kastle mx83 last weekend and it was great, a really enjoyable ski, but because of the conditions here in the East, I didn't get a chance to ski it in the trees or on any legitimate bump runs.  I have since read that the FX84 may be slightly better suited for skiing moguls and glades (which is my preference). Was wondering if anyone had skied both of these skis and what their thoughts are.  Any insights would be appreciated!

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I skied the Kastle mx83 last weekend and it was great, a really enjoyable ski, but because of the conditions here in the East, I didn't get a chance to ski it in the trees or on any legitimate bump runs.  I have since read that the FX84 may be slightly better suited for skiing moguls and glades (which is my preference). Was wondering if anyone had skied both of these skis and what their thoughts are.  Any insights would be appreciated!

 

Hi,

 

I have skied both quite a bit.  MX83 is versatile for what it is: a very powerful ski.  I like it off-piste; it can be very precise, not aggressive, but definitely makes sure you are paying attention. The FX84 is significantly softer at the tip and tail, has a rounder tip profile, bit of tip rise: it is easier and more forgiving, quicker in and out of junk snow, easier off-piste for sure. I do think in good conditions, the MX83 will have more stability and energy off-piste (like in good, light snow) and be more rewarding, have more stability and energy. In poor conditions, or in bumps, the FX84 is less work and more enjoyable.  FWIW, I have skied the MX83 a lot more off-piste than the FX84, but that is mostly due to local conditions not leaving much of a place for a narrower off-piste ski, and having a lot of room for a narrower groomer/all-mountain ride. 

 

In short, the MX83 is a world class groomer ski that is quite versatile off-piste, and the FX84 is a world-class off-piste ski that is pretty solid on groomers. 

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FWIW.  Own the MX83 (183cm), ski it all over the mountain in most snow conditions, except for truly deep.  IMO, best ski ever made to date.  Tried the new FX84, did not care for it nearly as much. The FX isn't nearly as precise and powerful, and is just a so, so, carver.  I haven't taken it into serious bumps, it may shine there, but is just mehh for me, whereas the MX83 really sings.   But, I am a big guy, 6'1" and 230#.  I think that Dawg is much smaller guy, and is more athletic than I am.    

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Thanks for the input!  I am 5'11" 190 and demoed the mx83 in 163 (all that was available) and was impressed with the speed, carving ability, and quickness of the ski.  It also didn't feel "short" and I skied faster and with a greater sense of stability than on my old Volkl P50's in 165 cm.  It was honestly the best ski I have ever skied and I wouldn't give anything else another thought until I started reading about the Fx84. Getting greedy wondering if the FX84 is even "better" for what I like to do, short quick turns on groomed surfaces, 30% of the day in bumps, 50% in trees.

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I have skied both, and I own the  MX 83 in 173 cm. I am 5-11 and 190 lbs.  For Eastern conditions, I have never found a better all-around ski. I think the MX 83 is the better of the two, at handling icy conditions, that we typically encounter in the East. I have skied it many times in the bumps and it is more than adequate.



http://www.epicski.com/t/119684/eastern-skiers-stop-the-search-the-quest-is-over-i-have-found-the-holy-grail#post_1571274

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bake, just to make your decision harder....

I have skied the MX78 for a few years. It is a powerful front side carver. But with a flat tail, and serious metal composition, it is a challenge in moguls and certainly in the trees. It does not give up speed willingly.True, it is not the MX83, but I suspect it has more in common with the MX83 than not.

I picked up a pair of last year's MX84's. They are different that this years. I skied them last week in Utah and found them wonderful in heavy, dense and cut up snow up to 10". Very nimble in the trees - went places I would not go with the MX78's. Much better in the cut up than the Soul 7's I brought.

Yesterday, I spent the entire day on them at my home hill - Sugarloaf. It was a dust on crust day. The skis had ground flat bases and a killer 1/3 tune. I have to say that I had as much fun carving around the hill as I do on the 78's. They hook up, and will ride the turn just as long as you like. True, they are not as powerful as the 78's, nor I suspect the 83's. But the cool thing is how fast you can dump speed, slarve and maneuver them - almost like a rockered ski. The 78's need a lot of room. The 84's not so much. I came away amazed at the versatility of the ski. And while I can never see giving up the 78's, the 10-20% loss of "power" is more than offset by the versatility of the 84. It is quick, damp and eminently willing. A finesse ski, while the 78's are more of a blunt instrument - which is big fun too. And I would take it on any tree run I know. I can not say the same about the 78's. But of course, the 83's could be a totally different animal.

May  suggest that you read up on the differences between the older and current 84's. And if you find a pair of the older ones - grab them. You will enjoy them on the front side and be amazed by them in the trees.

Happy trails

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MX78 are my own groomer tool of choice.

I'm tired of schlepping multiple skis when I go on trips and looking for my quiver-of-1 travel ski.

The FX94 is at the top of my list, based on Dawg's & others excellent reviews for it in mixed conditions.

Your comments on the FX84's versatility add to my personal hype for the FX94 !

 

thanks - Andy

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Great insights from everyone, thanks!

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