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2014 Elan Amphibio 78 Ti Fusion

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

I'm looking for this years 78 ti's for a good price but cant find it anywhere!! I am really no good with the internet and feel I may be missing out on something someone else might know.

 

Thanks for the help in advance!

post #2 of 23
So you want someone to find the skis for you?
Edited by mtcyclist - 1/27/15 at 5:50am
post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 

I've exhausted my resources by calling multiple shops in my area, north of my area south of my area and had no luck so far. I did an online search but I have no strength in the use of the internet for shopping and cant find the skis for anything else than the original retail price I'm terrible with tech. This is my first forum I've ever joined and I was just looking for some help. I was simply hoping someone who may pass by this post may have a link to a site where I might find some. Ive even been through all the epic ski member gear offers with no luck.

 

I've went through the forum in search of good online stores as well which still gave me no results. I'm not asking people to go completely out of their way for me, just hoping someone knows an online specialty store that I might not know about.

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post #5 of 23
Thread Starter 

 

I was looking specifically for the 2013 - 2014 model, but I found a demo posting under the ebay link you posted - and am currently watching it now

 

thank you very much!

post #6 of 23
Purchased Amphibio 78s a month ago, but the non- Ti model because I'm 165 in ski togs. Got the 78s because 90% of my skiing is Eastern hardpack.
Having skied them about a half dozen days in the past month, I love em. (That would be about 80,000 vert ft by my estimate.)
They have the right amount of pop for my weight & style.
They carve great, slide through crud beautifully, and seem to have high speed capability, more than enough for me. The Skitrax app says I've gone over 40mph a few times on Showcase at Gore, and no chatter that I've noticed.
I demo'd over a dozen skis before buying them, and concluded I like a playful ski with waist between 75 and 85mm. Nearly bought Dynastar 79s but was influenced by the Amphibio 78s winning the shootout at this impressive comparo:
http://worldskitest.com/en/men-allround-2014-15

To answer a question on another Amphibio thread, when you switch these asymmetrical skis so the rocker edge is inside, they smear turns like rocker skis do. In normal config, they track very cleanly. Seems best of both worlds to me. cool.gif

Only concern I have is whether local ski tuners will do right by this relatively unique edge design. Having bought tuning gear recently, I may just do it myself.
post #7 of 23

check skimonsters.com - Boston merchant

post #8 of 23

I bought 2014/2015 model Elan Amphibio 78Ti Fusion skis (design black with some green features) since I already outgrew (according my expert adviser from skis.com) my previous intermediate 2011/12 Rossignol Avenger rocker-camber-rocker (RCR) skis. In contrast this model Elan is rocker-camber (flat tail). The later helped me to enter and turn-exit easier on groomed, not as hard & icy trails. However, I noticed than on higher speed, or very hard pack, or corn and icy snow trails they sort of "chatter/dance" under my possibly lighter weight for this skis.

Also, once-in-a-while I was developing on higher speed carving an upper leg muscle pain, since exiting longer from the turns charging longer, also the increased chatter of this RCR profile vs. only RC profile (Amphibio skis). So, adviser recommended me to upgrade to a bit wider waist skis Amphibio technology assuming I already became at least advanced intermediate skier who still continuing to improve. Since I'd like to do more of shorter turns at all-mountain conditions.

I'm very excited with this very innovative Elan Amphibio technology. This Elan innovative technology with outer side rocker and inner side - camber also for more easy transition from edge to edge carving in combination with stiffer (Ti layer) construction and in the same time - lighter skis - is without match in the market today. Highly recommend for progressing intermediate and advanced skiers, which can become even expert-skiers with this skis.

post #9 of 23
I just got a nicely discounted pair of Amphibio 88 XTi on recommendation from some folks on this site. 186 length for a larger advancing skier. However, I don't expect them to make me an "expert". That's going to take time, practice, and lessons! rolleyes.gif
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by XLTL View Post

I just got a nicely discounted pair of Amphibio 88 XTi on recommendation from some folks on this site. 186 length for a larger advancing skier. However, I don't expect them to make me an "expert". That's going to take time, practice, and lessons! rolleyes.gif


You must e a pretty big guy to be able to rock the 186.  Mine are the 178/179 model and at 5'10" are perfect for me. Really a very good piste/hard snow ski.

post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post


You must e a pretty big guy to be able to rock the 186.  Mine are the 178/179 model and at 5'10" are perfect for me. Really a very good piste/hard snow ski.

Well 6'6" 225 lb needs just a little support!
post #12 of 23

I bought Elan Amphibio 78 Ti Fusion on skimonsters.com - Boston merchant;  With the guided hope that I could improve my advanced-intermediate skiing with updated equipment from my Rossignol  Avenger (so called auto-pilot rocker-camber-rocker skis for intermediates). What exactly gave me this hope for improving discussing the issue with an expert online are the following Elan specs:

 

1. Elan’s RST Sidewalls are no different than any other ski manufactures vertical sidewall construction used frequently with racing pro-equipment. The benefits are better edge hold and a more torsionally stiff ski.  RST is strictly their name for them.  A vertical sidewall is a vertical line from the edges up to the top-sheet vs. mass production of cap construction skis. 

2. Amphibio unique technology Rocker has a Rockered outside edges of the ski in the tip and a cambered inside edge to provide you with really quick turn initiation on your uphill ski, and a high amount of grip on the snow with your downhill ski. The Amphibio Rocker is right and left ski specific

3. Elan’s Waveflex Technology gives the ski an even and natural longitudinal flex, while having a high torsional strength, and vibration dampening abilities (no chatter with other words that compromises the stability especially on higher speeds and hard pack trails.  All other ski manufactures have some sort of technology that does this as well (dampening the vibration especially).  

4. A ski without rocker in the tail will exit turns stronger and provide more control as you exit a turn.

I really can't clearly diagnose my problem with painful thigh muscled I had when skiing rocker-camber-rocker skis before, whether it was my longer exit from the turns charging longer than need these muscles, or else in my technique but I do not think that I should blame my previous skis. So I was convinced that the Amphibio 78 Ti sounds like the perfect ski for what I'm skiing looking for, control, stability, maneuverability, with a touch of forgiveness and being still fairly lightweight for that caliber of advanced, even expert-enjoyable skis. Instead of demo them for a week or so and return if I do not like them I went and purchased this skis online with the informed hope that they will be a good upgrade from my previous Rossi. The expert online who evaluated my skiing skills sort of assured me that I definitely will be a stronger skier, and will have unmistakably the appropriate gear for it. It is your call to correct me if I'm wrong with this exciting Elan technology. I also will come back and describe additionally my practical experience with this new stand-alone ski technology. Your comments are highly appreciated about Elan technology and your take on it from your own experience.

post #13 of 23
Well a short demo is one thing, I'll let you know once it starts snowing in PA.

I don't know about yours but mine have rocker in the tail as well.
post #14 of 23
I have the precursor to the amphibio 78Ti. It's a traditionally cambered ski and I absolutely love it as my groomer ski. Useless in powder because of a lack of width.

I'm a big fan of Elan. Very innovative ski company.
post #15 of 23
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Well a short demo is one thing, I'll let you know once it starts snowing in PA.

I don't know about yours but mine have rocker in the tail as well.

You are both right.
The outer edge has tail rocker but the inner does not. See: http://www.elanskis.com/us/technology/profile.html
post #16 of 23
Yeah as a bigger guy I want the full camber on the inside edge for grip but appreciate the rocker in the tip and tail for all mtn versatility like my old Rossi E83.
post #17 of 23
A point which I've not seen written anywhere (including on Elan's site) is that having rocker on the soon-to-be uphill edge means that it naturally forms a tighter radius, which is what the inside ski in fact follows if you are carving. (I guess even smearing it would also...)
It stands to (my) reason that this is a Good Thing, allowing (encouraging?) cleaner carving for both feet. Since this seems so obviously desirable, I wonder why it's not discussed. (or why I'm wrong that it is desirable...)
post #18 of 23

Check with www.skimonster.com (Boston company which I already indicated in my posts). This is the site I used to buy from this fall my Amphibio 78 Ti Fusion, 176 cm on sale. The ski equipment included the Fusion integrated binding system and the binding itself was already pre-installed (just below $400). However pay attention on sale skis + bindings on sale are 2014/2015 season model.

 

And the difference with this year 2015/16 season model is that Elan added to the unique stand alone Amphibio Waveflex Fusion technologies one more exciting technology in building its construction (check the Elan site for the addition). Sure enough by buying last season model you can find on sale, while this season model from Elan will cost you with hundreds of $ more, if you believe that the newest technology except the double Ti layer added will benefit your skiing?

post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by vik1919 View Post
 

I bought 2014/2015 model Elan Amphibio 78Ti Fusion skis (design black with some green features) since I already outgrew (according my expert adviser from skis.com) my previous intermediate 2011/12 Rossignol Avenger rocker-camber-rocker (RCR) skis. In contrast this model Elan is rocker-camber (flat tail). The later helped me to enter and turn-exit easier on groomed, not as hard & icy trails. However, I noticed than on higher speed, or very hard pack, or corn and icy snow trails they sort of "chatter/dance" under my possibly lighter weight for this skis.

Also, once-in-a-while I was developing on higher speed carving an upper leg muscle pain, since exiting longer from the turns charging longer, also the increased chatter of this RCR profile vs. only RC profile (Amphibio skis). So, adviser recommended me to upgrade to a bit wider waist skis Amphibio technology assuming I already became at least advanced intermediate skier who still continuing to improve. Since I'd like to do more of shorter turns at all-mountain conditions.

I'm very excited with this very innovative Elan Amphibio technology. This Elan innovative technology with outer side rocker and inner side - camber also for more easy transition from edge to edge carving in combination with stiffer (Ti layer) construction and in the same time - lighter skis - is without match in the market today. Highly recommend for progressing intermediate and advanced skiers, which can become even expert-skiers with this skis.


Even if you're a heavy and toll guy (I'm 6.2", 195 lbs, 68 of age) you do not need above 180 cm length skis these days - in order to carve the mountain groomed, crude or icy hard-packed mountain frontsides. The days of long skis is long time over, except you float in powder most of the time during the season. Check the combined table of weight + height to find out why you do not need ski length higher than your head).

post #20 of 23
There are lots of reasons to ski 180+cm boards, especially if you are 6'2 and greater. With modern rocker or early rise skis they have less effective edge, making them ski short.
My powder boards are 190cm, and everyday skis are 186. They could be a lot longer.
post #21 of 23
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Even if you're a heavy and toll guy (I'm 6.2", 195 lbs, 68 of age) you do not need above 180 cm length skis these days - in order to carve the mountain groomed, crude or icy hard-packed mountain frontsides. The days of long skis is long time over, except you float in powder most of the time during the season. Check the combined table of weight + height to find out why you do not need ski length higher than your head).

You are neither heavy nor tall in my book. Most charts or active websites that use height (6,6") and weight (225 lb) to recommend skis put me in +180 cm skis. I know there are contrarian positions like yours out there. When I demo skis, I often have to settle for 170-180 cm skis because the reps don't bring the full range of available sizes, so yes, I do ski those sizes and find them nimble, but just a little too squirrely for my taste. I suppose that's the shorter turn radius I'm feeling. I'm coming off a Rossi E83 in 184 cm, which was fine as my intermediate ski, but after demoing some advanced skis last season I decided to upgrade and I chose the Elan 88 XTi over the off season. I also liked the Fischer Motive 86 and Ranger 88 for different reasons, and the new E88. This was a demo in PA, so the widths were mostly < 90 cm.
post #22 of 23
I understand what you're saying. Your additional comments are appreciated. Regardless of whether in your book I'm considered neither heavy or light skier, I experienced similar problem you reported with your heavier frame.

My previous ski was 176 cm Rossi Avenger Composite 74 cm (a rocker-camber-rocker cap construction), one of the most popular brands in CA. Rossi described them as an "auto-pilot" skis emphasizing how easy they can turn.

Yes, they were very easy to carve, no doubt. But here was the problem for me based on my configuration and carving abilities during the last few years of Sierra hard pack, low snow coverage, morning icy conditions in CA extreme drought years. This Avenger ski construction under even my not heavy frame frequently felt sort of unstable, chattered at certain moderate to higher speed on these mainly groomed trailed, also felt unstable going through crud and some not groomed well trails. I even developed tired painful thigh on some days probably fighting more than needed to keep the chattered ski under full control, especially on crud and more icy trails with old-old snow coverage?! Holding more than needed on turns and turn-exiting.

Since I considered myself an advanced intermediate at least, I decided to upgrade to 2014/15 season 176 cm Amphibio 78 Ti Fusion with integrated ELX 11 bindings (perhaps Tyrolia). Given the RST vertical deeper sidewalls, Ti laminate, Waveflex technology for stabilizing the skis, eliminating the chatter, also having rather a flat than rocketed tail (rocker-camber is the profile of Amphibio 78 Ti fusion technology). So, each ski can be driven either way, or with camber inside, or with rocker inside (like 2-in-1 each ski has) with 2 different carving outcome to chose from.

Therefore, Some are considering Amphibio like confusing technology, "resolving a problem which doesn't actually exist", other like me are very excited of this stand-alone and unique ski technology which actually gives you hardware to pick two different ways of carving when switching the dedicated left and right ski. Let's see what discussion my remarks will trigger further, I' m wondering...
post #23 of 23
My son had those same Avengers in 166 I think at 6'1" and 160 lb as a teenage intermediate but got upgraded to Armada AR7 twintips last year so he could ski switch and park. However he mostly now prefers skiing the glades and natural jumps. I've kept the Avengers as loaners.

I suspect the Elan 78 Ti is more advanced with metal and full side walls but I'm not familiar with this model. Narrower skis in an all mountain model line tend to be less advanced than the wider skis. You'll need to move to a carving model to get advanced narrow skis as you progress. A demo day can be fun to test out really different kinds of skis even if you have no plans to buy.

Don't take my comments about height and weight seriously. No emoticons on mobile postings from a phone. I tell my friends that I'm normal and they're just short!
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