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Snowbird vs snowmass 23 rd march

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Hi I am Australian living in singapore . I get 4 days skiing in usa a year so it's gotta count as I dream of this trip all year . I also ski New Zealand for a week a year . I am very focused on this being a skiing improvement 4 days - going from good intermediate to advance . I will have private lessons for 3 half days . Should I go to snowmass aspen or snowbird ? I am worried about lift lines at snowbird as I will be skiing from Thursday to Sunday but it looks amazing . Snowmass doesn't look like its as challenging but lift lines look a lots less but not sure of snow quality at snowmass. Really appreciate your advice . Aussie Sam
post #2 of 25

When do you have to decide by? I'll be in Aspen next week till the 17th and could give you the most up to date conditions and the 10 day forcast. They've had a great year so far, snowing right now, with another big storm on Tuesday.

 

http://www.aspensnowmass.com/en/the-power-of-four/roundshot

 

Aspen/Snowmass has better intermediate terrain, no lift lines and really good nightlife.  It also has one of the top ski schools in North America.

I'd probably save my money and get a group lesson. They usually only have one or two people in them anyway.

Stay in town!  Go to Snowmass the first day and then decide on the balance of days. Snowmass isn't as challenging, but if you take all the terrain at Aspen, Highlands and Snowmass, then I think it matches up pretty well with Alta/Bird.

 

Snowbird is amazing. If you are getting a private, you can at least cut the line half the time.

post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks so much . I will book trip on 11 th as flights into usa gets booked up. Have a great trip . Really appreciate the advice .
post #4 of 25

Both ski areas are great but which one fits you will depend on what you like to ski.  My high level recommendation is snowmass.  It's great for intermediates and has quite a few advanced/expert runs too.  There are tons of expert runs at the 4 aspen mountains (all a short free bus ride away).

 

I could give you a better recommendation if you elaborate on your skiing abilities and what you enjoy?

 

Do you enjoy: groomers, moguls, powder, glades, cliffs, chutes, bowls, etc.

How do you handle different snow conditions: ice, slush, powder, crud, etc.

What's your skiing experience, how many days approx have you skied in your lifetime?

What can't you ski?

etc.

post #5 of 25
Bob Barnes teaches at Aspen/Snowmass.
3 days of lessons with him would up your game.
post #6 of 25
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Bob Barnes teaches at Aspen/Snowmass.
3 days of lessons with him would up your game.

What?  The same Bob Barnes who skis nearly every day at Jackson?  The EpicSki member named Bob Barnes?

post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by skier31 View Post

Bob Barnes teaches at Aspen/Snowmass.
3 days of lessons with him would up your game.

What?  The same Bob Barnes who skis nearly every day at Jackson?  The EpicSki member named Bob Barnes?

Umm . . . I think you are confusing Bob Barnes with Bob Peters. :) 

 

post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 
Hi- skied since 6 years old (over 30 years )
Ski every year for a week in nz so not much powder experience which would love to try . Good in ice but hate it as that's what we usually get
Blue and east blacks are fine.
Looking to develop skills to enjoy ie feel confident control speed better in steep blacks . chutes , bowls and entry level steeps .
I can't ski tough black mogul or ice or crud.
I am finding intermediate runs great but boring . I don't have the technical experience or coaching to take the next step up . I know I need few pointers on developing my technique and what I need to develop to apply when facing next level of runs and going off piste - my technique isn't good enough for confident off piste
I will stay in ski in ski out coz I don't have time to waste and the experience is what I am after
I will bring my own equipment which I love but will also buy new skis this year ( had current skis for 4 years ) to handle powder / off piste
Really appreciate your guidance
Aussie Sam
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by skier31 View Post

Bob Barnes teaches at Aspen/Snowmass.
3 days of lessons with him would up your game.

 

Thanks for the plug, Skier31. 

 

It should be noted that Skier31 also teaches at Aspen/Snowmass, and would also be a very good bet as an instructor.

 

Aussie Sam--needless to say, I am biased, as I work at Aspen/Snowmass (based at Aspen Highlands). But it sounds like, of your two choices, Snowmass (and the rest of the Aspen areas--they really are close, and all skiable on the same lift ticket, with free shuttles between them) would be more suited to your needs and goals. The snow is excellent in both Aspen/Snowmass, Colorado, and Snowbird, Utah this season--I mean, really, really good! And Snowbird is a great ski area too.

 

Snowmass has perhaps the most ski-in/ski-out slopeside lodging of any area anywhere. It has a great variety of blue cruising runs and moderate "black" bump and crud runs. And it has some very challenging, if short, steeps. You said you feel comfortable on "blue and easy blacks" (actually, you said "east blacks"--was that what you meant?) That sounds like Snowmass! Snowbird is generally more challenging than Snowmass, as you suggest--much of its spectacular terrain is very steep and ungroomed. 

 

I suspect that you'd actually enjoy Aspen Highlands, too--just down the road from Snowmass, with a free shuttle (although it would slightly defeat the purpose of lodging on the slopes of Snowmass). It tends to have smaller crowds--not that any of the Aspen areas typically get over-crowded on most days. Highlands is legendary for its long, steep, advanced double-black-diamond terrain, including the incomparable Highland Bowl (which requires a breathtaking--in many ways--hike). But Aspen Highlands also has some of the world's best blue groomed terrain as well--and it doesn't usually get skied off quickly by crowds of people.

 

This season, Aspen Highlands Ski School has put together a new effort to create a program with special terrain selection and features to help intermediate and advanced skiers become more comfortable in, and develop the skills and tactics required for, steeper and more challenging terrain. It's called Performance Coaching, and with maximum class sizes of three people, it's a reasonable alternative to private lessons. Of course, we offer private lessons as well. Either way, you should contact the reservations agents soon, as our lessons do sell out, especially during that busy period. And there is a discount for advance reservations.

 

Have a great time, wherever you choose to go, Aussie Sam.

 

Best regards,

Bob

post #10 of 25
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Hi- skied since 6 years old (over 30 years )
Ski every year for a week in nz so not much powder experience which would love to try . Good in ice but hate it as that's what we usually get
Blue and east blacks are fine.
Looking to develop skills to enjoy ie feel confident control speed better in steep blacks . chutes , bowls and entry level steeps .
I can't ski tough black mogul or ice or crud.
I am finding intermediate runs great but boring . I don't have the technical experience or coaching to take the next step up . I know I need few pointers on developing my technique and what I need to develop to apply when facing next level of runs and going off piste - my technique isn't good enough for confident off piste
I will stay in ski in ski out coz I don't have time to waste and the experience is what I am after
I will bring my own equipment which I love but will also buy new skis this year ( had current skis for 4 years ) to handle powder / off piste
Really appreciate your guidance
Aussie Sam


That background helps a lot and further supports the Snowmass recommendation. 

 

Snowbird has limited intermediate terrain and is legendary for it's very challenging expert terrain which is likely to be worthless to you.  I worry you'd be stuck on a limited number of runs.

 

On the other hand, Snowmass has tons of intermediate runs but more importantly also has a lot of advanced runs where you can take your skiing to the next level.  Steep groomed blacks, moguled blues, moguled blacks, blue and black glades.  Snowmass also has some expert terrain which is on the easier end of expert range for the most part.  These expert runs are ideal for your growth as well. 

 

The lack of crowds makes it an easy decision.  People may yell at you for going slow on a advanced/expert run at Snowbird.  At Snowmass, you'll have advanced runs mostly to yourself. 

 

If you get lucky and pick up expert terrain skills really fast, a short bus takes you to Aspen Highlands which is one of the best expert mountains in the US. 

post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your great advice and genuine guidance

I am now booking my trip to snowmass and booking three days with Bob

If anyone knows good ski in ski out in snowmass please let me know . It's just me so only need one bedroom

Thank you so much

Aussie Sam
post #12 of 25
Mountain Chalet for a nice family owned lodge. Viceroy for over the top luxury.
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thank you . If you ever head to singapore or australia let me know . I owe you

Thank you

Sam
post #14 of 25

You'll have a blast at Snowmass, Aussie Sam.  Lots of acreage to ski and with plenty of variety in the terrain to wow you and push your limits.  Be prepared to book a return visit!

post #15 of 25

You'll love Snowmass!   Yes lots of intermediate terrain, but wait till you see the advanced - it's unique and sets Snowmass apart from the others.   You won't regret your decision, and you're hiring one of the best too - Bob B.   The quest to become an advanced skier is a long journey, but he will get you well on your way!  Have a great trip.

post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks so much . I am so excited . Thank you Sam
post #17 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thank you . Thanks to the epic ski family I feel really happy about snowmass . Thank you Sam
post #18 of 25
Fantastic spring day, as good as it gets.




Ajax has better fall line skiing and nice flats between the bumps.

400
post #19 of 25


One Ton Pig rocking the plaza.






1st chair 1A , non stop to the last bucket at 4:05.

Jackpot 4:30. Cream cheese and no bumps!


Edited by SHREDHEAD - 3/14/14 at 9:44pm
post #20 of 25
And models, I forgot to mention the models.

post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 
Ok now I am moving there
post #22 of 25

Hey AussieSam

 

You'll love Snowmass, but one word of warning, it will spoil skiing in New Zealand for ever. It has great terrain and you will certainly enhance your powder, moguls, black skills. Where do you normally ski in NZ? 

 

A couple of ideas from our trip a couple of years ago

 

For accommodation, I've pasted a link to a map below - the sweet spot if you don't have a car is in the block between the Mall (roughly where Mountain Chalet is) down to the Viceroy - on the Mountain Chalet side is the most convenient - you can walk anywhere within the main Snowmass base, the ski in ski out is at most a one minute flat walk to the slope, and most importantly all of the local buses run on that block - outside of that block you are restricted to certain bus routes. Also the bus that goes to Aspen has major stops at the Mall and the base.

 

http://www.sportsamerica.com/lodging/snowmass-lodging-map.php

 

If you are craving some "familiar" food for lunch go and have lunch at Up4Pizza at the top of Big Burn - great pizza, cookies, staff and vibe (it's not fine dining though)

post #23 of 25
Thread Starter 
Wow what a place aspen is . Loved aspen highlands and snowmass so much . Thank you for your advice . We have already booked next year . I had awesome advance lessons from Aussie anne at highlands . She is the. Best coach and a lovely person . Thank you Sam
post #24 of 25

Glad that you had a great time at Snowmass and Highlands AussieSam. Excellent idea to book again for next year. Be warned skiing in NZ will now be ruined, the runs will seem short and the lift queues long. 

post #25 of 25
Yep, glad you had fun. Aspen's a special place! We'll take a run next year, after you get tuned up.
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