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Hey guys, wonder if you can help with this. I've snooped a bit, this is my first post.

 

I ski anything on the mountain, double blacks with rocks, trees, and small drops.

 

I have feet that are just shy of 28 on the mondo scale. Width measures to nearly dead on halfway between A and B on 28.

 

For about a decade I rode X-Wave 8.0 size 28.5 boots (I suppose its a size 28 shell). The fit is a bit sloppy, but the main thing that drove me to search for a new solution was my feet getting cold. A typical -15 C (5 F) would have me in the lodge after about 1.5 hours for a warmup but I could be good for the rest of the day if I stayed on runs that kept me moderately working. I'm pretty good about staying warm over the rest of my body and, minus the issues with my feet, can be out in -30 C and have skied in as low as -40 C.

 

A local boot fitter nay-sayed on putting Intuitions in the shell, including the high volumes, and plugged me into Head B5 size 28 boots. The fit is tighter and steering response somewhat better. However, the widest part of my foot on the "outside" of the foot is getting crushed. Badly enough that I wore my boots for two hours and have felt it for six days. My feet are also colder - they are colder with chemical toe warmers in these boots than in the X-Wave's without. The result of cold, crushed feet is not good skiing.

 

Price isn't the biggest object, but it is important that I have a decent fit, no damage to my feet from crushing, and warm boots.

 

I have considered Intuition liners and expect that this is probably the route to go liner wise regardless of the shell.


What are your thoughts...

A) What boot should I look to to fit me best?

B) What liner should I look to?

C) Will/can I get an acceptable fit by using high volume dreamliners in the X-Waves with either "thin ski socks" or thicker ski socks?

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 9
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Originally Posted by snicol85 View Post
 

 

What are your thoughts...

A) What boot should I look to to fit me best?

B) What liner should I look to?

C) Will/can I get an acceptable fit by using high volume dreamliners in the X-Waves with either "thin ski socks" or thicker ski socks?

 

Thanks!

 

a) impossible to tell, that's when we should look for a reputable fitter to help us out. My looks like both shells are big for you. 1st you are using toe warmers, you should not have space for these on a properly fitted boot. 2nd you are talking about high volume liner to compensate a big shell most likely

b) intuition are known for their warmth but I'd look first for a new shell

c) in my opinion high volume liners are not the way to go!

 

Aren't you buckling up the boots too tight and cutting circulation? That might be one the the reasons for cold feet!

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Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
 

 

a) impossible to tell, that's when we should look for a reputable fitter to help us out. My looks like both shells are big for you. 1st you are using toe warmers, you should not have space for these on a properly fitted boot. 2nd you are talking about high volume liner to compensate a big shell most likely

b) intuition are known for their warmth but I'd look first for a new shell

c) in my opinion high volume liners are not the way to go!

 

Aren't you buckling up the boots too tight and cutting circulation? That might be one the the reasons for cold feet!

Thank you for your thoughts so far... a few comments that might help:

 

A) I've had a reputable boot fitter put me into the B5's. I'm told they are basically the narrowest boot available (96 mm last I believe). I don't know if it is too narrow given the crushing my feet inward from the side. Despite having, apparently, the lowest volume, I have ample space for toe warmers. I could probably fit two on top of my toes in each boot. I did not expect this as the boot fitter explained that in a properly fitted boot I should not have space for chemical toe warmers.

 

B) I pretty doubtful I will resolve the warmth issue by shell alone. I've persistently had somewhat cold feet and don't buckle my boots down to snot. If it was a matter of buckling down the boots too tight, I would have expected the issue to subside with the B5's, but rather the temperature problem got worse. It seems the X-Wave's liners are somewhat thicker than the B5's.

 

C) What's bad about high volume liners?

post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by snicol85 View Post

Thank you for your thoughts so far... a few comments that might help:

A) I've had a reputable boot fitter put me into the B5's. I'm told they are basically the narrowest boot available (96 mm last I believe). I don't know if it is too narrow given the crushing my feet inward from the side. Despite having, apparently, the lowest volume, I have ample space for toe warmers. I could probably fit two on top of my toes in each boot. I did not expect this as the boot fitter explained that in a properly fitted boot I should not have space for chemical toe warmers.

B) I pretty doubtful I will resolve the warmth issue by shell alone. I've persistently had somewhat cold feet and don't buckle my boots down to snot. If it was a matter of buckling down the boots too tight, I would have expected the issue to subside with the B5's, but rather the temperature problem got worse. It seems the X-Wave's liners are somewhat thicker than the B5's.

C) What's bad about high volume liners?

The high volume liners are used to take out some free space inside the shell, there is nothing wrong with the liners itself but sometimes they are used to compensate.

did you try going back to the fitter and talk about the hot spot? maybe the new boots need some work to fix that! To me it just looks like you still don't have the shell dialed in, I think that should be the first step, and then liners and even a boot heater as many people need/like them!
post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by snicol85 View Post
 

Thank you for your thoughts so far... a few comments that might help:

 

A) I've had a reputable boot fitter put me into the B5's. I'm told they are basically the narrowest boot available (96 mm last I believe). I don't know if it is too narrow given the crushing my feet inward from the side. Despite having, apparently, the lowest volume, I have ample space for toe warmers. I could probably fit two on top of my toes in each boot. I did not expect this as the boot fitter explained that in a properly fitted boot I should not have space for chemical toe warmers.

 

B) I pretty doubtful I will resolve the warmth issue by shell alone. I've persistently had somewhat cold feet and don't buckle my boots down to snot. If it was a matter of buckling down the boots too tight, I would have expected the issue to subside with the B5's, but rather the temperature problem got worse. It seems the X-Wave's liners are somewhat thicker than the B5's.

 

C) What's bad about high volume liners?

 

 

This might have been covered already, but the B5 is about a 95 last boot, probably 96 or a bit more in a 28 shell.  If you're tall, the B5 has a bit shorter cuff. It's a 110 flex boot. This may or may not work for you. The Head Raptors have a bit of extra room in the toe box. That's part of the design, but I'm not sure two packs worth. The Raptor liners are not particularly warm. But here's the bad news. Odds are about 100% that the boot is indeed a shell size too large. It's pretty easy to size down one if you're just barely a 28. As far as punching and mods, it's an easy boot for your fitter to work on. Just be sure that they know that there's not as much plastic in them as the B2 andB3 if they're busting out the dremel tool. 

post #6 of 9
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This might have been covered already, but the B5 is about a 95 last boot, probably 96 or a bit more in a 28 shell.  If you're tall, the B5 has a bit shorter cuff. It's a 110 flex boot. This may or may not work for you. The Head Raptors have a bit of extra room in the toe box. That's part of the design, but I'm not sure two packs worth. The Raptor liners are not particularly warm. But here's the bad news. Odds are about 100% that the boot is indeed a shell size too large. It's pretty easy to size down one if you're just barely a 28. As far as punching and mods, it's an easy boot for your fitter to work on. Just be sure that they know that there's not as much plastic in them as the B2 andB3 if they're busting out the dremel tool.

That makes sense for why my feet are actually colder in these than the packed-out X-Wave's. The boot fitter is willing to take the B5's back or work with them to see if he can make them fit (I don't want to start getting things punched if ultimately this is not the right shell).

Is there a shell that would come to your mind? I'm willing to go new shell, scrap the stock liner, and install a new liner if the result is good.

post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by snicol85 View Post
 

That makes sense for why my feet are actually colder in these than the packed-out X-Wave's. The boot fitter is willing to take the B5's back or work with them to see if he can make them fit (I don't want to start getting things punched if ultimately this is not the right shell).

Is there a shell that would come to your mind? I'm willing to go new shell, scrap the stock liner, and install a new liner if the result is good.

 

There is no possible way to know without seeing your foot first hand. 

post #8 of 9

I would suggest posing your query in the "Ask a Bootfitter" forum.  There are actually some really really good boot fitters in there who can give you reliable information.

 

regards,

Bud

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Originally Posted by bud heishman View Post
 

I would suggest posing your query in the "Ask a Bootfitter" forum.  There are actually some really really good boot fitters in there who can give you reliable information.

 

regards,

Bud

Good call - will do.

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