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post #61 of 86
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

 

the difference is I would say it in person. where most people who would make statement like that online are spineless and i did not just rip billy kid I just rip nearly every "pro" skier who is now 'coaching" skiing. Not only have seen ineffective coaching from "names" I have seen coaching that actually makes people worse. 

 

Its not that the info is bad or wrong but it lack a greater understanding that many on this board have of this sport. I can not say Billy Kidd specifically does not have a clue but statements like "balance start at our hands" , while helpful do not show the greater picture of how balance actually works. I wonder his coaching to a no armed man would be? 

 

Also I am not going to rip and more "names" in this thread, so far this thread is informative and pleasant. If you would like to start a thread on the subject I would have no problem using examples of when "names" simply can not coach, in some cases really can not ski, and in other cases are such poor coaches that their students actually get worse. 

 

and if you think that Billy Kidd actually knows more about this AND CAN PUT INTO CLEAR CONCISE WORDS than the people posting in this thread than go seek him out, knowing what I know I would rather ski with Bob Barnes than him. 

 

To be fair, he never said that.

 

He was giving one person some coaching, and that was his tip, and it was a very good tip for that person. He skis with thousands of people, whether in his little clinic, or this (which was a private thing), and of course he likes to coach, so I am sure he has these little mantras he has been using over and over and over again for a quick help. I'm quite sure he wouldn't say that to an armless man lol. 

 

But I do think he values the simplicity of only having to think about one thing when you are skiing, so he picks out the one thing that will lead the other things to the right place.  I think that is the trait of a good coach in any sport. Footwork is really important in tennis, but for me, I don't have to think about my feet to make them work, I have to keep my eye on the ball. When I'm concentrating on that, my feet follow and do exactly what they are supposed to do. If I start looking up before I've hit the ball, I get flat footed. (And again, that is advice for someone who is "already connected.") 

 

I too would rather ski with Bob! But it was a fun morning ... the guy's a legend, and I know people who have started skiing simply because of who he was back in the 70s. 

post #62 of 86
I'd say any opportunity to ski with an Olympic metal winner should be taken. Franz Klammer may or may not be a great coach or instructor. Same with JC Killy. I could care less. Billy won an Olympic medal. You didn't, Josh. You aren't good enough. Now if I could just manage a few turns with Anna Feinneger. smile.gif
post #63 of 86
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

Now if I could just manage a few turns with Anna Feinneger. smile.gif

Cool, you make turns with her... I'll come pick her up for some apres ski. wink.gif
post #64 of 86
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post

Cool, you make turns with her... I'll come pick her up for some apres ski. wink.gif

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post #65 of 86
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

 

see stuff like that is silly. It screams "I am better than you and you must listen to me" 

Well, it did seem silly, and of course I didn't stop leaning on my poles while he was telling me that. I stayed right where I was. But  spending more time, you could see how focused he was on every little movement. Muscle memory muscle memory muscle memory. And I do understand that, especially for a sport where hundredths of seconds are important. There was no sense of superiority at all, don't worry, but he did have very definite and specific opinions about things. I sense that the two of you might not get along. ;) 

post #66 of 86
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

I'd say any opportunity to ski with an Olympic metal winner should be taken. Franz Klammer may or may not be a great coach or instructor. Same with JC Killy. I could care less. Billy won an Olympic medal. You didn't, Josh. You aren't good enough. Now if I could just manage a few turns with Anna Feinneger. smile.gif

And that was really the more interesting thing...  I didn't do this to get coaching, really, I just wanted to kind of see who he was. It is interesting to see which traits of people would lead them to be champions, because it isn't the physical things really, or Bode Miller would have won all the races. Champions come in different shapes and sizes and personalities, but maybe not really that different after all...

 

Anyway, now I'm sorry I brought it up, I really wasn't planning on it, but it was the same advice that someone else was giving and I just found it interesting....

post #67 of 86

 

Who knows if Billy is a good coach or not.

He did uncover something with seg's skiing that's useful though.

See, now she can take fewer runs, but ski more. Then have time for tennis.

 

Originally Posted by markojp View Post

I'd say any opportunity to ski with an Olympic metal winner should be taken. Franz Klammer may or may not be a great coach or instructor. Same with JC Killy. I could care less. Billy won an Olympic medal. You didn't, Josh. You aren't good enough. Now if I could just manage a few turns with Anna Feinneger. smile.gif

 

It always helps if you can spell a girl's name properly when you write them notes.  Just sayin'...:)

 

Anna Fenninger:

 

Photo Anna Fenninger                                               Cheetah Conservation Fund

http://www.nbcolympics.com/wnbc/photos/anna-fenninger-fast-and-beautiful-cheetah

post #68 of 86
Now we are getting somewhere.
post #69 of 86
There seems to be some "Hewlett Packard Syndrome" in this and other threads.
What's that?
Back when HP used to make the best scientific instrumentation available serious techies had a saying...
"If you look in a HP manual to see what time it is, they tell you how to build a clock."

My best skiing buddy is pretty accomplished.
PSIA Tech committee member, Interski team member and ex Central Division President.
He is the best instructor I know because he avoids HP Syndrome.
His simple tips based on observation have radically changed the skiing of my wife and others.
Not that he can't talk tech but he keeps it appropriate.

I feel pretty good that Billy Kidd and I gave the OP the same advice.
KISS!
And STICKIT.....
post #70 of 86
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

 

It always helps if you can spell a girl's name properly when you write them notes.

 

Also pretend to care about Cheetas.

 

As to Josh's point about legends who can't coach, I have no idea whether it applies to Billy Kidd or not, but there are certainly examples accross many different sports and endeavors. I like to say: Those who can, do. Those who not only can, but can also communicate to others just how to, teach. The latter is more rare and more valuable.

post #71 of 86

Butt over Boobs?

post #72 of 86

Let's not get judgemental now....

 

Butt over boots? - Almost

 

 from juliamancuso.com

post #73 of 86
Tog. You posts are awesome. This thread keeps getting better and better.
post #74 of 86
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Butt over Boobs?

That's perilously close to "Tits Up" which is not a good thing.
post #75 of 86
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 

Butt over Boobs?


The thread title appears that way every time I'm scrolling through new posts (well, except boobs over butt.) Then I try to envision it and it just doesn't work!

 

That being said, it seems there are many ways to skin a cat. So if telling someone to keep their hands forward works better for them than telling them to stack over their feet, then so be it. (It works better for me, keeping my hands forward, as it keeps my shoulders from rotating the wrong way, which keeps my hips in line, etc.)

post #76 of 86
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I prefer the Split Sputnik method..

 

post #77 of 86
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Originally Posted by dakine View Post

That's perilously close to "Tits Up" which is not a good thing.

 

Well since you like simple statements for techique, here's one for you.

Got this from a well known woman examiner.

 

Skiing large moguls where there's some space. Like western moguls. Skiing down in the trough but coming up and over the bump.

She told us : "Ride the wire to the cleavage!"

 

Meanwhile, in the "Boots Over Butt" class.

 

Julia working on BOB off the hill.

 

post #78 of 86
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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post


I thought this was a really interesting post, until you blew my mind with the implication that there are sports you do BETTER than skiing. Now, instead of being tickled by this idea of not throwing away the first and last (non-) turns, I've decided to just give up skiing and get serious about fly tying.

 

March 7, 2014

 

Hi qcanoe:

 

Check up Lloyd Gonzales, PSIA-e Examiner.  World famous fly tying authority, author and sportsman.

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/Fly-Fishing-Pressured-Water-Lloyd-Gonzales/dp/B008SLTGSA

 

 

Think snow,

 

CP

post #79 of 86
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 Julia working on BOB off the hill.

 

Well, OK then--finally, a reason to be happy that my name is associated with this thread!

 

;)

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post #81 of 86
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Originally Posted by smaahk View Post
 

I've heard this now a million times and i cannot seem to commit to it.

 

I'm still hanging more in the back seat than which I should. Anyone have any suggestions to train myself to be more forward? 

 

Thanks

 

Mark

I struggled with it for years, but the thing that seemed to work for me was being aware of the pressure between my shins and the front of my boots.  If I can't feel that pressure, I take it as a reminder to get forward.  

 

The tip about using your hands to get you forward is helpful, but for me it comes in handy more when I get thrown off balance and need to get back into a more forward position. 

 

Good luck.

post #82 of 86
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Originally Posted by Bob Barnes View Post


It's absolutely the reason I always insist that you don't believe anything I say. But don't believe anything anyone else says, either--and doubt, for a moment, even what you believe yourself. Don't believe something is wrong, either--until you've given it a fair shot. Believing is what you have to do if you don't understand something. Believing is blind. And it is often wrong!

Best regards,
Bob

I don't believe you. (Sorry, I couldn't resist)
post #83 of 86
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 

Actually, I was standing uphill of him at the time, so I had my poles in my hips instead of wide and in front. Because I didn't want to run him down. 

 

Andy Warhol might say, if he were still with us, that you squandered your 15 minutes of infamy.
And I would say, if I were titling the news clip: "Epic skier is Kidd beater."
By the way, love this thread. Amazing how so many personalities have been revealed and reinforced. 
D1
post #84 of 86

Well all three in the right order:

 

Anna Fenninger again.

 

   photo Anna Fenninger                                                                     http://www.nbcolympics.com/wnbc/photos/anna-fenninger-fast-and-beautiful-cheetah

post #85 of 86
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

Well all three in the right order:

 

Anna Fenninger again.

 

   photo Anna Fenninger                                                                     http://www.nbcolympics.com/wnbc/photos/anna-fenninger-fast-and-beautiful-cheetah

 

 

What a scam... First they want me to buy those damned black Head skis. Now they're trying to get me to ski in the desert. 

post #86 of 86

I think what Josh was illustrating was process.....and with so many other individual sports (tennis, golf, windsurfing, etc....) process is discussed at length.

 

I do not know Josh - but what his points demonstrate is a commitment to understanding. I had to re-read his post a couple of times to understand the concepts - being old school I just "know what to do" but don't always know why or how.

 

There have been food fights in the golf and tennis world on instruction....yes, ski instruction has to compare to those disciplines. But what usually comes out is a better understanding of how to teach a skill......

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