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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 

Hey all,

 

I had inquired earlier on this site about what type of ski to choose, however, I could not find any deals on the ski I had decided and think I found better options recently.  Also just got a job where I get a huge (40-50%) discount on Armada, Faction & Head Ski gear. 

 

My skill level is 7/10 like to take tree runs off blues and rip down non-mogul blacks as well as some back country/bowls.  I like everything basically, except moguls, take too much out of me.

 

Body: 5'8 - 160lbs

 

So my question:  I had been set on the new  180cm Rossignol Soul 7 because of the amazing reviews that fit both my size and ski type perfectly (minus the fact that I don't go backcountry, yet).  However, as of now they're all so expensive/sold out so I would be waiting for demo skis to come on sale late this month at hopefully around a 40% discount (however probably heavily used bc of their popularity)

 

OR

 

I could choose from the brands listed above brand new with the discount...having done a little research, the only ski that seems for me is the  174cm ARMADA TST..which I could get brand new for 40% off. 

 

So which would you choose?  Basically, is the Rossi Soul 7 that much better than the TST that I should wait and buy used?  It seems that it might be based on some amazing reviews.... I will be able to demo one of these skis in the next couple weeks and would love some suggestions from yall.

 

Any help would be appreciated!!!!

post #2 of 28

Armada's TST, based on what you described, would be an excellent fit.  It's a great all Mtn. ski that can do everything well.

post #3 of 28
You sound young. Have you had your boots fitter by a boot fitter ? The boots are the most important part.
post #4 of 28
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies!  

 

Mojo..think I'm going to demo the Armada TST's, too good of a deal to pass up.  It seems like both are very similar skiis, not to familiar with the Armada brand, but seem like they make some great powder skis.

 

Max Capacity...thanks for the boot advice...Not very relevant to the thread though?   Appreciate it regardless, and I'm 27, been skiing for 15+ years, first season living out West though, so tons of questions/still learning.

 

Any more feedback would be great!

post #5 of 28

Armada was started by some professional freestyle skiers.  They used to be kind of directed toward the younger crowd, I'd say 30 an under but I see more and more people of all ages, men and women, on Armada skis.  Opinions certainly will vary but I believe the TST is truly one of those skis that deserves to be called an all mtn ski.  As much of a fan of Armada as I am it would be a lie if I told you it's the BEST all mtn ski on the market and that's because I don't think there is such a thing as "The Best" of anything.  "The best" thing to do is demo a few different models and ski the hell out of them in all different type conditions.  Try and take mental notes along the way to the things you like, love and hate about the model you're on.  Sometimes, people are surprised at what they end up because they like/d a certain model better than they thought they would and disliked one that they thought was going to be their first pick.  Don't get to hung up on other peoples opinion, go demo the hell out of them and form your own instead.  Best of luck to you on your new purchase!!!

post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

You sound young. Have you had your boots fitter by a boot fitter ? The boots are the most important part.


Stop puppeting the same line.  Put the boot line in a BOOT thread.

post #7 of 28
Was just refering to that fact, seeing as the previous post recommended the ski you should go for. If the boots don't fit well, you can't get a good feel for how the ski feels on the snow.

Sorry, It seems that I offended ecimmortal.
post #8 of 28
Thread Starter 

Gotta agree with ecimmortal, your post was worthless to this thread and my decision :(

post #9 of 28

I think we all can agree proper boot fit is ALWAYS relevant.  Now, was it was relevant to this thread, I suppose you could argue it's not but it's not like it was bad advice. 

post #10 of 28
IMO the relevance is, if he likes to ski and the boot doesn't fit properly, then it really doesn't matter which ski he buy's.

That something us old guy's learned years ago.

The other great advice is here was from MoJo23, "Demo"
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

You sound young. Have you had your boots fitter by a boot fitter ? The boots are the most important part.


Stop puppeting the same line.  Put the boot line in a BOOT thread.

 

Totally agree.

Someone comes on asking specifically about what ski would be good for them, mentions nothing whatsoever about boots, and invariably someone replies with a warning/lecture about boots.

It's extremely presumptuous and off-putting.  Why not do the OP the courtesy of assuming he/she is comfy with their other gear choices/knowledge and reply simply to the question asked?

 

It's worse than my other pet peeve when an OP says they've narrowed a ski choice to either Ski A, Ski B, or Ski C and would just like input on which of the 3 choices is better.  It never fails that multiple people tell them to forget their carefully researched choices and get Ski G, Ski R, Ski K, etc. instead...usually whatever the responder's personal ski is.

 

Geez, whatever happened to simple answers to simple questions?

O-K, Rant over!

post #12 of 28
Thread Starter 

Skierish...you basically nailed it.

 

My goal of this thread is to get some insight from you guys whom follow gear more than me about either ski.  Figured the Rossi Soul 7 would be a talking point as well.

 

Also, pretend I demoed both and liked them equally, have amazing fitting boots with awesome poles.

 

Thanks!

post #13 of 28

 

Also, pretend I demoed both and liked them equally, have amazing fitting boots with awesome poles.

 

Thanks!

 

Then I would say your a lucky man and you should pick either your favorite color or the one you can get the best deal on.

post #14 of 28
Thread Starter 

Can some other member besides the current posters please help me out regarding my original question?  

 

This is an important decision for me and any insight or experience regarding these two skis would be appreciated!

 

Thanks

post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by eaglez21 View Post
 

Can some other member besides the current posters please help me out regarding my original question?  

 

This is an important decision for me and any insight or experience regarding these two skis would be appreciated!

 

Thanks

1. Demo the skis.

2. pick the one you like. 

3. go skiing.

post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by eaglez21 View Post
 

Skierish...you basically nailed it.

 

My goal of this thread is to get some insight from you guys whom follow gear more than me about either ski.  Figured the Rossi Soul 7 would be a talking point as well.

 

Also, pretend I demoed both and liked them equally, have amazing fitting boots with awesome poles.

 

Thanks!

 

This may not help but............

 

skied S7 188 for 3 years and liked ski but found myself in back seat a lot of the time especially in the steeps.  Demo'd Armada JJ at 185 and really liked ski and bought them.  Found they were just as good in the trees and powder but were a little stiffer in the tail and overall which gave me a more centered feel and when I did get in the backseat I felt it immediately and rebounded/fixed to center quicker than the S7.  The armada's I have to ski more aggressively than the S7's which is fine with me, keeps me on my toes (not literally).  Hasaven't skied the Soul 7's  so sorry can't comment there. FYI am 197lbs.    One comment (have skied for 50yrs) don't just make a choice based on $$ because you aren't saving a dime if you don't like or buy the wrong ski.

post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 
haha thanks guys, no worries I'll just ask my buddies this weekend and well have a conversation like I wanted to have here, couple experiences they have heard or had with them, which ones they would get, which ones they think I should get ect....

but all I get here when asking what ski to get is go demo and stop thinking about it.

but isn't that part of the fun? isn't that why your on here in the first place? isn't that how some of the best reviews for skis are found on forums? isnt that why this part of the forum exists!?

so confused....
post #18 of 28
Haven't skied the Soul 7, but skied the cheaper Sin 7. Very soft and not stable on groomers. I asked two demo shop guys who ski about the Soul 7 and one said it was great in fresh powder but not much else. The other said it was overrated.. I think one shop sold them but the other did not carry them, FWIW.
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by eaglez21 View Post

haha thanks guys, no worries I'll just ask my buddies this weekend and well have a conversation like I wanted to have here, couple experiences they have heard or had with them, which ones they would get, which ones they think I should get ect....

but all I get here when asking what ski to get is go demo and stop thinking about it.

but isn't that part of the fun? isn't that why your on here in the first place? isn't that how some of the best reviews for skis are found on forums? isnt that why this part of the forum exists!?

so confused....

No, it really is just a waste of your time and will just further your indecisiveness. 

 

Nobody has seen you ski. You haven't seen anybody providing you "advice" ski either. There is no way to know if said advice is going to align with what you want in a ski until the thing is actually on your foot. So circumvent the wasting of time, and put the thing on your foot. All you have here is a few trusted sources to use as a baseline to guide your decisions on what skis to demo. The rest is just noise.  

 

 All you asked about was two skis that you could demo; I am not sure what you want people to tell you? I am confused. 

 

You asked for alternative advice...there you go. 

post #20 of 28
Thinking out of the box...Kästle FX94 in 176cm.
post #21 of 28

Perhaps what would help anyone like the OP most is a description of the skis he/she has asked about.  Then -- presuming the person knows what he/she wants out of a ski (and that's assuming a lot!) -- the person can make an informed choice/decision.  

 

To the point: there is no "best" ski.  There are only skis that fit needs/situations/skiers better than others.  The idea of demo-ing is to get a sense of the differences between A, B, or C and then decide if you like the flavor.  If you are pretty thoughtful about what you are looking for, it's possible to make a pretty good choice w/o demo-ing.  But that's only if you know what you want and can get a good sense of the ski through accurate description.  FWIW, I just bought a pair of skis sight unseen.  But I knew what I was looking for, and I had gotten a pretty full description of how they feel, ski, respond.  I expect I will like them...for what I bought them for.  Will I love them?  Will they be the very "best" ski for me?  Who knows?  I'm willing to take this chance.  

 

BUT... again, I knew what I was looking for.  If you are not broadly experienced with different equipment, picking the right ski w/o demo-ing is a crapshoot.  And if you're not right, either you have to learn not to care or it can get expensive.

post #22 of 28
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Thinking out of the box...Kästle FX94 in 176cm.

 

He's clearly very concerned about cost, so that automatically rules out Kastle.

 

OP, the only one I've skied is the TST.  I didn't like it, but I'm in the very definite minority on that.  90% of people seem to love that and the Soul 7 both.  I would guess the Soul 7 would be more versatile, but that's truly only a guess.

post #23 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks spooky, didn't realize talking about skis in a ski gear section of a skiing forum is noise.

As I said in my First post, I can only demo ONE ski, which is why I wanted to know which ski you all would choose for demoing.

You've posted twice and not mentioned anything about either ski or relating to my first post. Why even read or post to these threads?
post #24 of 28

 174cm ARMADA TST..which I could get brand new for 40% off. 

 

Demo that ski and come back and tell us what you loved about it, before you spend your money.

 

You get a discount on Head, do they have a 85-94mm waist ski ? demo that too.

 

I'm old school and find a lot of the newer name brand skis funky or feel like a plank. 

post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by eaglez21 View Post

Thanks spooky, didn't realize talking about skis in a ski gear section of a skiing forum is noise.

As I said in my First post, I can only demo ONE ski, which is why I wanted to know which ski you all would choose for demoing.

You've posted twice and not mentioned anything about either ski or relating to my first post. Why even read or post to these threads?

Why can you only demo one ski? 

 

If you want to gossip about skis, go for it! Not trying to stop you.

 

I read all your posts on the site, and gave you the best advice I can give. I am not forcing you to abide by my opinion. 

post #26 of 28
You clearly seem to be very impressed with the reviews on Rossi Soul 7 and since you can only demo 1 ski, without a doubt, it should be the Rossi Soul 7. Yes, absolutely without question you should go with the Soul 7. In fact, with the reviews being so outstanding, I wouldn't even bother demo'ing them. That would only lead to one more day you wouldn't own your very own set of Soul 7's. I don't care if you have to sell blood plasma to pay for them, don't waste another single second, get yourself down to the ski shop and bring them home.

Sorry if I/we wasted your time with reasonable advice. I should have realized you pretty much had your mind made up before you ever posted your question and you just wanted someone to agree with your answer.

All sarcasm aside, I'm quite sure EITHER will more than satisfy you.
post #27 of 28
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the help guys that commented on SKIS.  Next time I need help on "How to buy skis"  Spooky and Mojo your my goto guys!

 

But when I need specifics, actual knowledge of ski gear - please stay out of the conversation.  


Edited by eaglez21 - 3/6/14 at 6:14am
post #28 of 28
I'm still sticking to, try the Armada, you can get a good price on it. Right now, by the sounds of it, price is a factor.

We are just trying to help, that's why I mentioned boots. But I guess those guy's don't feel boots are that important.

FWIW, I just got a pair of 2012 skis new in the wrapper for $270 shipped, skiessentials.com

Check out thier web site for older skis,
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