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Can I remove bindings myself and bring them to a shop to mount on new skis?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

Hi all

 

Skiing for a long time now but all things tech are voodoo to me up until recently.

 

I've purchased a pair of new flat ski's which are going to be my wife's new "Fat Ski's".

 

I have a pair of old Salomon Scream Limited with salomon 910ti (I think) bindings mounted on them.

 

My plan was to bring the salomons on an upcoming trip as my rock skis' and towards the end of the trip bring the salomons and the new ski's into a ski shop and ask them to

1. remove the bindings from the Salomons

2. dispose of the Salomons humanely

3. mount the Salomons on the new ski's.

 

I'm fairly comfortable that the salomon bindings work as advertised, while I pay no attention to my ski's I do have the ski's tuned and serviced in the resort ski sjhop at least annually and perhaps more often than that, so I think I would have been informed if there was anything amiss with the bindings, and if they are good enough for my (now replaced) primary ski's then they are certainly good enough for my wife's backups. 

 

However, it has now occurred to me that I do not need to carry the Salomon Ski's all the way across the Atlantic if I can remove the bindings myself here.  I could then carrry the bindings and new skis (only) across the atlantic and save all that weight.

 

So can a complete novice remove bindings? - is there anything specific I need to be aware of?   Will a rental shop re-mount these bindings? - do I need to keep the mounting screws and so forth?

 

Thanks in advance for any help

post #2 of 22

I can't see why not.  Just make sure to use the right screwdriver, and check to see that your bindings are still on the indemnified list; shops won't install bindings that are not on the list.

post #3 of 22

Umm if these are Scream Pilots mounted on the Pilot Plate the binding removal could get complicated and the might not work on flat skis that easily.

 

post #4 of 22
Thread Starter 

@crgildart Nope - "Scream Limited Extra Ho"t or something, but DEFINITELY a flat ski - supposedly a limited edition of some sort.... usual marketing voodoo.

 

 

@ghost sounds great - I'm just about safe/certified to use a secrewdriver to take screws out - I haven't finished the course for screwing screws IN yet but I'm hoping to graduate to that soon :-)

 

One question - do I keep the screws?

post #5 of 22

Strongly recommend calling the presumptive mounting shop to check in advance ......... just in case

post #6 of 22

Yes keep the screws.  And it isn't a regular phillips screwdriver, it is a pozi drive

 

post #7 of 22

The correct tool for the job is generally a #3 Pozi-Driver  screwdriver. 

 

Phillips #3 will work, but can be iffy if  epoxy was used on the screws.  #3 Pozi fits perfectly and has extra little splines that grip 

post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

The correct tool for the job is generally a #3 Pozi-Driver  screwdriver. 

 

Hyperlinked to SlideWright's website #3 Pozi above;)  A big philips bit on the end of a decent screw gun will usually crack them loose though.  Just be sure to push down REALLY hard so it doesn't hop around and strip the slots out.

post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 

I will actually have 3 sets of flat skis and 3 sets of secondhand bindings all needing to be mounted on my upcoming trip to Jackson Hole.

 

Anyone able to recommend a ski shop there which will mount the bindings for me? 

post #10 of 22
Where do you live ?

Your not planning on taking 3 pairs of skis to JH, are you ?

Think about what your doing here. How old are the bindings ? 15 years is about max.

Can someone link him to the list ?

If you don't have the right tool, it's not going to cost you any more to have the shop dismount the bindings. Leave it to the experts.

Think of the extra cost as, its better then a co-pay at ER.
post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 

I live in Dublin Ireland.

 

I am planning on bringing 5 pairs at least in total to JH - MINE, plus three pairs which will need work, all of which are for other people in my group.... these are not all for me.....and it's easier to transport them flat (unmounted).

 

There are 4 in the group going to JH

 

the bindings were purchased new in 2004 or 2005..  AFAIK they are on the indemnified list.    (although as far as I know this is a Us-only thing I've never come across in Europe in any case.... why would the binding manufacturer pay for my ER bills? - also I have highly-specific travel insurance which covers rescue and treatment costs  in or out of bounds worldwide if it does come to that)

 

I would expect these bindings to be OK as I suggested above given they are coming off my old main ski's - If I had any doubt at all about their efficacy I would have replaced them before now given that if I was injured the last thing on my mind would be the costs of medical care which would not be all that material, but rather  the pain, consequent income loss and inconvenience associated with an injury - not to mention the inability to ski for a season. 

 

I have a #3 PoziDriver in the house - if that is the only tool required it sounds like it should be simple enough.

 

Thanks all for the help, and for the two who found and linked pics of the scream pilots and a pozidriver so quickly I am both appreciativel and impressed.

 

would still appreciate a recommendation for s good ski shop in JH to do the mountings and also for tuning if needed.

post #12 of 22

Can't rec any shops.

 

Keep in mind that you should have enough room on your credit card to pay for an emergency hospital visit etc.  American hospitals will most likely not recognize third-party insurance, and require you to pay either before or after admittance.  I found this out the hard way many years ago in Aspen.

post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
 

Can't rec any shops.

 

Keep in mind that you should have enough room on your credit card to pay for an emergency hospital visit etc.  American hospitals will most likely not recognize third-party insurance, and require you to pay either before or after admittance.  I found this out the hard way many years ago in Aspen.


While a trip to an American ER without insurance can be ruinously expensive (I strongly suggest a supplemental health policy) - the good news is that emergency services are *required* to be administered without regard to ability to pay.

 

You'll normally give them payment/insurance info at time of discharge.

post #14 of 22
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While a trip to an American ER without insurance can be ruinously expensive (I strongly suggest a supplemental health policy) - the good news is that emergency services are *required* to be administered without regard to ability to pay.

You'll normally give them payment/insurance info at time of discharge.

In the U.S. there are public and private hospitals. Public hospitals account for less than one third of all hospitals and will provide services, with or without insurance or an immediate payment. Private hospitals (not all) are not required to provide care if the patient does not have funds or insurance. Travel insurance is usually not recognized at either type of hospital. Any foreigner requiring medical care will have to pay out of pocket. Once you return to your home, then you can file a claim with your travel insurance provider, and hopefully be reimbursed for all the medical fees. This was the case when I received care on two occasions while visiting the states - one was a fracture in colorado, and the other was a laceration in northcarolina. Both private hospitals. One would be extremely foolish to travel outside of their country without travel insurance, and make sure that the policy will include injuries from sports.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post


In the U.S. there are public and private hospitals. Public hospitals account for less than one third of all hospitals and will provide services, with or without insurance or an immediate payment. Private hospitals (not all) are not required to provide care if the patient does not have funds or insurance.

 

This page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act explains why the public/private distinction is largely moot  If you accept federal funds (almost all hospitals), and have an ER, you cannot make ability to pay part of your screening process since 1986).  If you require emergency treatment, it must be rendered.

 

There's an overview of hospital obligations here, short form of "what they have to do before discharge" is below:

  • The patient is conscious, alert, and oriented.
  • The cause of all symptoms reported by the patient or representative, and all potentially life-threatening, limb-threatening, or organ-threatening symptoms discovered by hospital staff, has been ascertained to the best of the hospital's ability.
  • Any conditions that are immediately life-threatening, limb-threatening, or organ-threatening have been treated to the best of the hospital's ability to ensure the patient does not need further inpatient care.
  • The patient is able to care for himself or herself, with or without special equipment, which if needed, must be provided. The required abilities are:
    • Breathing
    • Feeding
    • Mobility
    • Dressing
    • Personal hygiene
    • Toileting
    • Medicating
    • Communication
  • Another competent person is available and able to meet the patient's needs following discharge.
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by catharsis View Post
 

 

I have a #3 PoziDriver in the house - if that is the only tool required it sounds like it should be simple enough.

 

 

I don't see a problem with removing the bindings, keep the screws, bring them and the skis to a reputable shop.  They'll do the work if they believe the bindings are safe to use.  If they deem otherwise you can either rent skis or buy better bindings.  The ER blabber is tongue and cheek comments from people that got the impression that you were going to mount and adjust the bindings yourself instead of just removing them from skis no longer in use.

post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 

~~The information and advice about public versus private and insurance versus out of pocket is all interesting and may well be educational for other subscribers, so is welcome in the thread. I think perhaps people may have missed my reference to

 

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Originally Posted by catharsis View Post

I have highly-specific travel insurance which covers rescue and treatment costs  in or out of bounds worldwide if it does come to that)

 

I would strongly recommend anyone travelling internationally on a ski trip to ensure they have adequate medical cover and to ensure this cover includes winter sports cover and/or does not have exceptions for winter sports or dangerous activities.

 

having said all that....

 

thanks to @cgildart for bringing the thread back to earth

post #18 of 22
If you can remove the screws without much damage to them, then go ahead and do that.

Of course keep all the hardwear.

Another idea, can you ship all the skis to a recommended shop in JH, may be email them and set something up.

It sounds like a mess of equipment.

So to clean it up, you want to remove the 910ti and have them mounted on the wifes new fat skis at the end of the ski trip ?

Are the binding brakes wide enough ?
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by catharsis View Post
 

 

I would strongly recommend anyone travelling internationally on a ski trip to ensure they have adequate medical cover and to ensure this cover includes winter sports cover and/or does not have exceptions for winter sports or dangerous activities.

 

having said all that....

 

thanks to @cgildart for bringing the thread back to earth

All I am saying, is that from my experience, a travel policy isn't worth the paper its printed on foreign soil.  When it comes time pay an invoice from the ER, or the SAR in a foreign country, It is always best to have access to a high-limit credit-card.  IMO

 

Now as far as the skis/bindings go - I would suggest to have them installed at your local shop before you leave.  Then remove the bindings yourself and re-install once you arrive at JH.  

 

If you are planning to have them installed at your destination, it's very possible that the shop may not have the time to install them immediately.  You might lose a day of skiing, or have to rent skis. We have a couple shops around here that have 2-3 day wait times - just for an adjustment.  My shop, minimally staffed, can install 5 pairs of skis in about 2 hours, and I would think there's at least one shop in JH that is able to do that.

 

I would try posting in TGR if you don't get a recommended JH shop posted here.

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/8-Tech-Talk

 

 

You could also learn to do it yourself.  There's how-to vids on diy binding installs, and all the templates are available here for free.

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/153971-Binding-Mount-Paper-Templates

post #20 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
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Another idea, can you ship all the skis to a recommended shop in JH, may be email them and set something up.
It sounds like a mess of equipment.

So to clean it up, you want to remove the 910ti and have them mounted on the wifes new fat skis at the end of the ski trip ?

Are the binding brakes wide enough ?

Actually I have had the flat ski's shipped already so they are sitting in JH waiting for me.

 

I will remove the binding in Ireland and bring the binding only so that I do not have to carry a ski to the US which  will not use while there and would be leaving behind in any case.   I do NOT intend using the Screams again.  

 

Brakes are fine - thanks for thinking of that though

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Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
 

All I am saying, is that from my experience, a travel policy isn't worth the paper its printed on foreign soil.  When it comes time pay an invoice from the ER, or the SAR in a foreign country, It is always best to have access to a high-limit credit-card.  IMO

 

Now as far as the skis/bindings go - I would suggest to have them installed at your local shop before you leave.  Then remove the bindings yourself and re-install once you arrive at JH.  

 

If you are planning to have them installed at your destination, it's very possible that the shop may not have the time to install them immediately.  You might lose a day of skiing, or have to rent skis. We have a couple shops around here that have 2-3 day wait times - just for an adjustment.  My shop, minimally staffed, can install 5 pairs of skis in about 2 hours, and I would think there's at least one shop in JH that is able to do that.

 

I would try posting in TGR if you don't get a recommended JH shop posted here.

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/8-Tech-Talk

 

 

You could also learn to do it yourself.  There's how-to vids on diy binding installs, and all the templates are available here for free.

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/153971-Binding-Mount-Paper-Templates

Insurance versus Credit card - I always carry an 'emergency card' for unexpected situations when travelling internationally.... whether it's an ER bill or a missed connection, sometime you may need to spend a lot of money fast to get out of a difficult situation, so it's only prudent.

 

installing them at my local shop before I go is not an option because I have had the new Flat skis shipped to JH and will pick them up there.

 

I do not expect that they will be available immediately, each member of the group will have a working pair of skis with them ready to ski - the new ones tend to be the replacement second ski in their quivers..

 

thanks for the recommendation about TGR - I guess for the tetons it's a sensible place to ask :-)

 

I'm not sure about mounting my own - again I would prefer to spend the money to get someone to do this right - not because I have some indemnity or can sue them, but because  want it done competently (as opposed to by me ! :-) )

 

Thanks for the suggestion though.... maybe sometime I will take on that job.

post #21 of 22
As good as I am, I would never take on mounting my own bindings, that's where the "conside it, better to pay the shop to mount them, then paying a co-pay at the ER" comment fit's in to all this.

Bring the screws for the bindings your removing also.
post #22 of 22

910's will not be on the indemnified list for much longer and IMHO, if they have been uses a lot they are probably already starting to loosen up. You are getting new skis, it is kinda like getting a new car and putting your old tires on it. Obviously you are putting a lot of $$ into this trip, at this point, what is an extra $200..spring and just put a new fresh binding on the skis...not a 10 plus year old pair of 910's on them...especially a wide ski, that 910 was not laterally rigid at all. 

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