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Jr. Boot Modificaiton/Equipment Question

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

have a daughter who is a solid intermediate skier: 7 yo, weight 58lbs, who is "edging" through her turns.  Occasionally she carves and during times of indecision and to gain control she wedges.  I'm at a inflection point with her equipment.  Have been leasing for the first three years, no problems, and am going to buy next year as I feel like she could benefit from better equipment as she learns to carve on a consistent basis. 


I used to work in a shop several years ago and understand the basics of fitting/matching equipment.  Meaning that I understand how the boot and ski work together and that know it's imperative for the skier, kids are skiers too!!!, to flex the boot in order to flex the ski.  Based on this, I know not to fall victim to the buying equipment that is too advanced in order to save a few $$$.  I see too many kids skiing who for whatever reason are not in the proper equipment, can't flex the boot and wind up skidding through turns.  I also see kids who are very proficient skier so obviously equipment alone is not the answer.


My question is this:  I'm going to pair a Rossi Fun Girl with a Volkl chica.  The Rossi fits and I like Volkls, particularly fond that the skis have tip rocker.  She's in a Rossi Fun Girl now and really has a hard time getting and keeping her weight forward.  Thinking back to my years in a shop, is grinding out the back of the boot the best method to help get and keep her weight forward?  I'm not really concerned with cost as I have younger daughter who can use the boots later.  Just looking for advice about the best method to manage the equipment side so that I can help my daughter keep developing the proper technique.    


Any advice, thoughts, suggestions ,are much appreciated.

post #2 of 10

is the boot just too stiff for her?     are you trying to make it softer?

try doing up the power strap around her liner only (bwtween the shell and the liner)   see if that helps

post #3 of 10

Many things besides boot stiffness can keep her in the back seat and the assumption that making a boot softer will solve the problem isn't necessarily correct.  Binding position affects body position, as does binding delta and boot ramp also her own strength does and not all kids at her age are ready to stand comfortably balanced, especially when wedging.


It seems you are familiar with ski technique so I think best thing is to run little but safe experiments to determine affects of binding and boot angles on her stance.  Methods are discussed various places here.



post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 

I appreciate the feedback.  The boot that is being discussed is a Rossi Fun Girl which does not have the strap.  My daughter is 60lbs and has difficulty flexing the boot but after some thinking this scenario is normal.  Wanting to modify the flex is a natural response and thought process for those with an practical application and technical appreciation for the technical aspects of how the boot and ski are designed to work in concert.  For the moment I've decided against modification the structural integrity of the boot.   


I watched some video of her over the weekend, shot by a proud father on an iphone and by a friend with a GoPro, and from a technical analysis she is primarily edging and carving on the more gradual terrain.  On steeper terrain she reverts to a wedge type.  That's OK.  She just turned 7 and the focus on is on fun and learning to ski in control. Similar to some comments above, the primary objective is let kids be kids and enjoy skiing.  I have her in equipment that is appropriate for her weight and ability level and the transition to carving as a primary applied ski technique will come gradually over time.  Next year she'll start skiing some gates.  The goal in 2014/15 is to have her technique, ability, confidence and most important the love for the sport will continue to grow and develop. 


Have any other members modified the flex of a Jr. boot?  If so why, and what were the results?



post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 

sorry for the lengthy digression, but yes, I wanted to increase the flex of the boot.

post #6 of 10

post #4 you say she is having problems flexing the boots?


post $5 you want to make the boot stiffer?




me confused

post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 

hey thanks for the interest/time and for pointing out the obvious confusion.  I'm interesting in reducing the flex of the boot.  Again, sorry for the confusion and thanks for your thoughts.

post #8 of 10

so softer is better?

and no power strap?



cut 5mm off the inside/lower cuff and see how that feels?    (unless the lower shell has a "V" notch on the sides, or the back, or marks to show where it can be cut)

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

yeah no power strap and she's pretty light.  I've been watching her flex the boot, in the cold and at room temperature and she's having a hard time flexing and keeping the weight forward.  That's why I was thinking that a small cut down the back could help solve some of the problem.  Because she's a child my thought process is that this boot, Rossi Fun, is not a performance boot and seems to designed for a generic youth skier, my thought process is that a small incision promotes incremental flexibility and hastens the development process.  If the objective, aside of fun, to get my child consistently carving what is the negative aspect of slightly modifying the structural integrity of a boot?  Am I missing something? 


I've observed a lot of kids skiing over the past 3 years and there seems to be a large portion who are unable to get weight forward.  During this time I've spent a lot of time closely monitoring the technique of daughter and her 3 friends who are all 8 and under and it seems as if the development process is slowed due to a couple of primary reasons.  1.  Poor instruction.  2. No instruction.  3. equipment that is too stiff.  4. poor fitted equipment.  ultimately there are a myriad of reasons but I just can't help believing that flexibility could be the catalyst for faster development and greater control.


again, thanks for the input. 

post #10 of 10

most people are in either boots too stiff, or can't / dont flex there ankles.   Its NOT just a kid thing.


bottom line:  shes a kid,  if she is having fun, and likes skiing, great,   Your job is done

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