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Needing new ski pants [trouble keeping warm]

post #1 of 32
Thread Starter 

I could you some advise of buying a pair of ski pants.   I have bought some obermeyer ski pants and they do not keep me warm my thighs and butt get cold.  I have tried several layers and did not work.  So am looking for a warm ski pants.  I am just under 5 ft tall.  Does anyone know anything about Descente Struts ski pants or suggestions on a nice warm pair.   I am a cold nature person anyway and need something extra warm.  Thanks

post #2 of 32
what's your budget? Insulated snow pants don't get too warm or cold compared to each other, they are more of tha same compared to jackets which can vary a lot.

My wife has been happy this year with the arcteryx sarissa, it has 80g of insulation, she was also happy with TNF freedom lrbc insulated pants.

Now here is the thing: I keep trying to convince her that she would be warmer using shell pants, but she doesn't like layering too much, my recommendation wiuld be:

1 - get shell pants, good quality water/wind proof any or most of the goretex, dry.q, event, neoshell should work.
2 - if you are a cold person then layer with a baselayer on spring days
3 - winter and colder days use a fleece pants or even fleece pants+merino/capilene/polartec baselayer

A shell+fleece pants are most of the time warmer than insulated pants, add a baselayer and you will be warm as never before! That's in case you can get used to 3 layers on your legs! I never do that, I'm comfortable with a 3l shell + midweight merino for 99% of the time, on really cold days close to 0 I will layer with fleece pants instead of the merino!
post #3 of 32
Thread Starter 
I have the midweight merino wool that is what I layered with...budget is less than 300.00 dollars
post #4 of 32

$300 is enough for pretty much anything specially with end of the season prices. I'd try to check into the shell+fleece pants option and see if you are comfortable layering with fleece pants under a shell, you probably should choose a more relaxed fit shell.

 

Another option for layering piece is a baselayer made of polartec power stretch, I have top mid layers made of this material and I like how breathable and warm they are. But it's pretty hard to find 3/4 pants made of polartec power stretch.

 

Try going to a store... if you don't have fleece pants wearing a very lightweight sweatpants should give you the same feeling of wearing a fleece pants under the shell in case you can't find shell+fleece pants to try out at the same store.

post #5 of 32
If you have $300, want to be warm, and if these will layer under your shell pants, you can't do better:
http://www.bentgate.com/shop/western-mountaineering/western-mountaineering-flight-pant-1170?AdID=17150cm00cm026851&gclid=CPKyq4m19LwCFYFhMgodMDUAkw

More info:
http://www.westernmountaineering.com/index.cfm?section=products&page=Down%20Garments&cat=Pants

Having a layer like that to go under shell pants greatly increases the flexibility of your clothing system.

Other manufacturers make puffy pants as well:
https://www.google.com/search?q=primaloft+pants
https://www.google.com/search?q=down+pants
post #6 of 32

Where do you ski?  When during the season?

post #7 of 32
Thread Starter 
We skied last this year in Steamboat Co. We went the end of Jan beginning of Feb. We live in FL so not many ski shops around. Will not be skiing till next year and we go about 2 weeks. My choice are online places.
post #8 of 32
For online gear buying Sierra Trading Post is fantastic and is always our first choice.. You can always get a coupon for an additional 25 to 45% off of their already discounted price and they just got a bunch of new ski pants (insulated and non-insulated) in last week from Salomon. They also have several from Arcteryx, Mammut, Marmot, Colombia, Mountain Hardwear, Descente and others. My wife is in the exact same boat and will be deciding on one of these this week. Their return policy is also outstanding.
post #9 of 32

Hmmm... is part of your getting cold moisture related? Do you feel your current ski pants get damp - and hence you feel colder than you would if they were completely dry?

post #10 of 32

Is the rest of you warm? Particularly head, hands and feet? My butt and legs tend to get "cold" but I really don't feel it until I take the pants off at the end of the day and realize they're cold and pink! But I keep the rest of my body as warm as possible. It can be a fine line between wearing too much and getting hot and not having enough. It could be your current pants do get sweaty inside and aren't very breathable to boot. Or as sportyandmisty said, they are getting wet from the outside. I'd be hunting for a more technical pair of pants with some light insulation if I were you. Descente makes good products. Those Struts pants look like they could fit the bill just fine.

post #11 of 32

STP has a ton of womens ARC TERYX , salomon and other brands on sale Warm? I would suggest a tight thin merino base layer then a 200  (or even thicker) mid layer then the pants.  

 

as said above, sigh up for their daily ads and receive 30% off but not uncommon to get 35-40% off.  (usually, 35% plus shipping or 40% with free shipping)

 

Here's a nice pair of salomons that are insulated and gore tex.  

 

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/salomon-odysee-gore-tex-pants-waterproof-insulated-for-women~p~6989h/?filterString=womens-clothing~d~6%2Fsizefamily~general%3Bs%2Fwomens-pants~d~263%2Fwomens-ski-pants~d~618%2F&colorFamily=01

post #12 of 32
Thread Starter 
no... my pants are dry
post #13 of 32
Thread Starter 
I do like Sierra trading will look... thanks
post #14 of 32
Thread Starter 
the rest of me is fine.and do not sweat... I was cold this year and cold last year...difference is I added the mid weight merrell wool still cold
post #15 of 32
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Originally Posted by hechilds2 View Post  I am a cold nature person anyway and need something extra warm.  Thanks

 

I am a bonafide cold-wimp, myself.  I don't think you can beat down undergarments for warmth.  I've never worn them skiing, as I think I would likely get too warm, however I do wear mine when I'm fishing in 30 degree weather.  If you've never been on a large body of water in low temps, you probably wouldn't understand, but it's way colder than skiing in 5 degree weather.  A pair of traditional long underwear under a down undergarment and then a very light ski pant and you'd be ready for arctic skiing.  Good luck.  

post #16 of 32
Get CWX tights and put Columbia or Karbon pants above it.
post #17 of 32

My wife is a major wimp when it comes to cold.  She skis with a merino wool base layer (actually, it is about 10% wool, IIRC) and insulated pants.  Part of the key to her staying warm is torso layering and head layering.  She wears at least 3 and sometimes 4 layers on her torso, a neck gator, a head liner under under her helmet -- you get the idea.  Oh -- we both also use Hotronic ski boot toe warmers, and frequently use hand warmers inside our ski gloves.

 

In addition to the strategy of multiple layer on your torso to improve core heat retention, I suggest multiple layers below the waist as well from a quality company -- check out http://us.icebreaker.com/en/why-icebreaker-merino/freedom-to-try.html for example, as they also have a 100% satisfaction guarantee.  I suggest 2 layers plus insulated quality pants.  If it were me, I would want pants with zippered vents on the inside of my thighs in case I get too warm - but that's just me.

 

In addition to warmth, in your new ski pants I suggest you also look at features that you've found useful including multiple pockets, zippered vents, features at the ankle for ski boots, etc.

post #18 of 32
Thread Starter 

I wore Merino wool pants and had 3 layers on...still cold ...

post #19 of 32
What was the outer layer? Not the wool pants, I'm hoping? It was INSULATED ski pants? Plus three other layers on your legs? Try substituting light weight rain pants for one of the layers. They're usually thinner than the long johns, but the extra wind blocking can make an amazing difference. A friend wears a little jacket like that among the layers on top and I actually wear a layer of long johns, the insulated pants and shell pants over them. I can comfortably handle negative numbers and wind chills down to minus 25F.
post #20 of 32
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Originally Posted by hechilds2 View Post

I wore Merino wool pants and had 3 layers on...still cold ...

Re-read my previous post.
post #21 of 32
Thread Starter 

Thanks Bob Lee...I did read your post I was replying to Sport and Misty

post #22 of 32
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

What was the outer layer? Not the wool pants, I'm hoping? It was INSULATED ski pants? Plus three other layers on your legs? Try substituting light weight rain pants for one of the layers. They're usually thinner than the long johns, but the extra wind blocking can make an amazing difference. A friend wears a little jacket like that among the layers on top and I actually wear a layer of long johns, the insulated pants and shell pants over them. I can comfortably handle negative numbers and wind chills down to minus 25F.

Ski pants outside baselayers inside 

post #23 of 32

Skied the last couple days at Stowe with temps mostly below 15.  I made sure my core was warm.  Also made use of a couple neoprene items.  Boot Gloves for the feet.  Hot Buns to keep my butt warm, not only when riding the chair lift but just as another way to keep warm in general.  I gather the Hot Buns were invented for ski racers.

 

http://www.artechski.com/hot-buns-2428.aspx

 

I prefer shell pants over insulated pants.  More flexibility if conditions change during the day.  A merino wool base layer and fleece pants seem to be enough under the shell pants . . . assuming my core is kept warm.

post #24 of 32

Ski a lot of bumps. This is not a goof. No one stays warm outside in cold temperatures sitting around in the wind on a cold chairlift and then cruising down an easy groomer at 30mph making no-effort RR track turns. You need to get your heart rate really up there on at least every other run. This is an athletic pursuit, not a stroll down the beach.

 

I ski in Maine, and I run cold, so I feel your pain. On a really cold day when there are no bumps or trees on offer, I will wear two base layers under insulated pants, five or sometimes six layers on top, a balaclava and a thin beanie under my helmet, liner gloves, mittens, handwarmers, and toe warmers. 

post #25 of 32
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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post

Ski a lot of bumps. This is not a goof. No one stays warm outside in cold temperatures sitting around in the wind on a cold chairlift and then cruising down an easy groomer at 30mph making no-effort RR track turns. You need to get your heart rate really up there on at least every other run. This is an athletic pursuit, not a stroll down the beach.

I ski in Maine, and I run cold, so I feel your pain. On a really cold day when there are no bumps or trees on offer, I will wear two base layers under insulated pants, five or sometimes six layers on top, a balaclava and a thin beanie under my helmet, liner gloves, mittens, handwarmers, and toe warmers. 

Hop turn down a trail will warm you up pretty quickly as well.
post #26 of 32
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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post


Hop turn down a trail will warm you up pretty quickly as well.


Especially if you turn at the bottom, run back up it fishbone, and hop turn down it again!

post #27 of 32

X2 on belay pants under shells. I picked up a pair of Sherpa Adventure Gear Vajra pants this fall for $150.00

PrimaloftOne insulation, so easier care than down, and retains its insulating properties when wet. Never need more than these and maybe a wool base layer if it's sub-zero.

 

http://www.sherpaadventuregear.com/ss14-mens-parbat-mountain-series.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.pbv.v5.tpl&product_id=700&category_id=111

 

They might be hard to find. I got mine through Rideway Outdoor Experience, Ridgway, CO. As an alternative, Patagonia makes a similar pant with PrimaloftOne for around $250.00

post #28 of 32

The Spyder Coaching Bib is an EXCELLENT pair of pants.  $300 but look on line for sales.  Got mine for $200.  Very warm.  Million Pockets.  Zip Crotch vents.  Padded knees. (Got kids?  pads are fantastic!) Comes in black or tan.

 

Not sure if there is a size that will fit you.  

 

If your butt gets cold, try cutting off a pair of inexpensive long johns or fleece sweat pants.  If you use fleece sweats, save the cut off legs for neck gaiters.  :)

 

If your core or kidneys get cold, try a neoprene back belt or "slimmer" belt.  $10.  Stay warm and trim your abdomen while you ski!

post #29 of 32

If you have room in the pants, a layer of fleece really helps because it doesn't compress much when you're sitting on a lift.  Combining merino base, fleece midlayer and a puffy insulation is pretty hard to beat.  Maybe not fashionable.  Buy cheap puffy pants and cheap fleece for cold days; wear fashion pants on warmer days.  I cut my fleece pants off so they don't bunch up above my boots.

 

Beyond the pants, having non-restrictive clothing and a warm core (wear a vest) and head will keep your whole body warm.

 

To get warm turn more, ski more bumps, etc.  High speed lifts and gentle cruiser runs are a cold combination.  Skate, do squats in line, etc if you're cold.

 

(This is from a California native- but I did survive a week skiing Banff when the typical day started at -40F before warming up to -20F)

post #30 of 32

Arcteryx insulated - windproof, waterproof - best pants I've ever owned and I get cold easily.

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