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post #1 of 7
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TLDR version:

I'm fed up with incompatible ski-binding mount systems and limited choices of bindings.   Please post your best/worst examples of hole systems that have (/have not) lasted many years, and are (/are not) broadly applicable across multiple vendors.

 

If you take issue with my premise, please read the rest of my post. Otherwise, let's give praise where it is due, and also call out the villains!

 

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Background: I have some older Atomic skis I like, but the Atomic heel pieces have split open in a way that is not consistent with the recall on those models. But I still want to use those skis as rock skis for a few more years. Basically there is nothing available without a lot of searching, and if I do buy new bindings they will be useless for any future skis. (So, in my limited experience the Atomic race line is worse than the Volkl/Marker lineup in terms of years of compatibility.)

 

Obviously the solution is a standard hole layout, but equally obviously the manufacturers want to lock us into buying their proprietary system, and a whole new set of skis and bindings when anything goes wrong.

 

Some say just go with flat mount, but that does not make remounting easy, and re-drilling often means having to shift things to avoid previous holes. Threaded inserts make way more sense.

 

Why should I care so much about bindings? They are the safety system, and I do not want one of dozens of newly imagined versions that come out each year. I want a stable, conservative piece of equipment that is perfected and improved over the seasons. Sure, we'd still have an indemnified list, but it would not implicate skis. 

 

If I want a lighter binding, or a metal indestructible one, or a DIN range that works for multiple family members, or specific release characteristics for my previously injured knee, or retention characteristics that minimize the chances of hitting a tree, then I should be able to get the best binding for my needs and put it on my skis.

 

Today we are sold skis but pretty much have to take whatever they give us in terms of compatible bindings. And past and future compatibility is barely considered.

 

Enough of my rant.   So tell us, who deserves praise or criticism in this area? 

post #2 of 7

Sorry but I don't feel your pain.

 

Flat mount the ski of your choice with the binding of your choice. Ski it.

post #3 of 7

 

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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post
 

Sorry but I don't feel your pain.

 

Flat mount the ski of your choice with the binding of your choice. Ski it.

 

 

Same.

 

Terrible thread.

post #4 of 7
Thread Starter 

Hmm. Wasn't expecting that response. Thanks for taking the time to provide feedback, though. 

 

I guess I just have too many skis where flat mount is not an option (Atomics!), so my pain remains :-(

 

(Respectfully: can I assume guys don't sell gear for a living?)

post #5 of 7
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... I do not want one of dozens of newly imagined versions that come out each year. I want a stable, conservative piece of equipment that is perfected and improved over the seasons.

 

Did you see the post a week or so ago from the guy who asked about stockpiling?  

 

Yoda say, sales incremental improvements do not make.  Few people go out to buy the new Volvo wagon because the manufacturer switched from rear drums to rear disc.  Yet Volvo soldiers on in the manner of marketing you espouse, introducing "all new" models basically never.  They remain focused on customer retention.  In 15 years, they want you back in the Volvo showroom.  If they introduce a new model, they have to convince people that it's actually as good as the old Volvo it's replacing. 

 

Where has that gotten them?  Well, I don't think anyone expects to see them challenge the big three for market share.  And at the same time, they seem to have figures out that if you make a car that lasts 15 years, you don't see your "return customer" again for 15 years.

post #6 of 7
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Originally Posted by ianw View Post
 

Hmm. Wasn't expecting that response. Thanks for taking the time to provide feedback, though. 

 

I guess I just have too many skis where flat mount is not an option (Atomics!), so my pain remains :-(

 

(Respectfully: can I assume guys don't sell gear for a living?)

 

No, but I BUY gear for skiing...

 


Edited by Rossi Smash - 3/2/14 at 3:04am
post #7 of 7
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Originally Posted by ianw View Post

 

 

 I want a stable, conservative piece of equipment that is perfected and improved over the seasons. Sure, we'd still have an indemnified list, but it would not implicate skis. 

 

 

 

 

You have just described the Look Pivot. It exists in it's current form, a direct descendent of the original Look Nevada/N17 Grand Prix binding that first showed

up in the '60's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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