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Review: 2015 Atomic Automatic 109

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Thread Starter 

 

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Review:

Get ready for more car analogies...Can you blame me? With a name like "Automatic"? C'mon, it is a big slow pitch softball. Well here goes, while the name Automatic is a good name for this series of ski, I really think DSG (direct-shift gearbox or for the Germans, Direkt-Schalt-Getriebe) would have been better because this Automatic can be up shifted, down shifted and made to perform really well on more than one type of terrain or conditions. The 109 here (along with it's little brother the 102 and little sister, the Century 102) are on the playful side of the scale in the 1OS Class (formerly: One Oh Something class), does that make them wimps? hardly, the 109 handled the heavy 2:1 (at least that what it felt like) water content snow I skied them in with total easy. Does that make them playful? You betcha, even in the big for me 189 length, I didn't feel the 109 was truckish to get around at all in these heavy conditions, in fact it was very well one of the easier skis to ski in this size range and considering that this snow didn't push it around adds to the attributes. I will usually ski 1OS ski in the low to mid 180's but was was amazed how nimble the Automatic 109 was in the longish 189 length.

 

Who is this ski for? I think the athletic skier that likes playfulness with a turn shape that will be under 20 meters yet still wants to charge some. A skier looks for the trees and terrain changes first then hits big bowls later because like a good DSG, you can either leave it in gear and enjoy the ride or you can shift it in sport mode and tear up the mountain. 

 

Tip & Tail Splay

 

Product:

Length Tested: 189

Dimensions/Turn Radius:  135-109-125 19.5M

Camber: Early Rise Tip & Tail w/camber

Binding: Demo 

Mount point: Suggested 

 

 

Other Skis in Class:

*Nordica Vagabond

*Salomon Quest 105

*Rossi Soul7

*K2 Annex 108

 

Environment & Conditions:

Location of Test: Northstar

Number of Runs: 12

Snow Conditions: Heavy sierra cement

Demo or Own: Demo

 

Tester Info:

Username: Philpug

Age: 50

Height/Weight: 5'10" 190lb

Ski Days/Season: 60+

Years Skiing: 35+

Aggressiveness: Moderate (Finesse) to Power

Current Quiver: 

-’14 Scott The Ski 175cm w/Look Pivot 15

-’14 Nordica Steadfast 178 w/Salomon Sth 14

-’14 K2 Rictor 90 178 w/Salomon Sth2 13

-’15 Nordica FireArrow 76 Ti 177

-’15 Blizzard Bonafide 180cm w/Salomon Sth2 13

-’15 Nordica NRGy 100 w/Salomon Sth2 13

-various vintage skis

Home Area: Squaw & Northstar

Preferred Terrain: bumps, off-piste, trees

post #2 of 16
Thanks for the preview Phil! Surprised this new Automatic line isnt garnering much interest.

Im pretty interested in this new line because of how much I enjoyed the original Automatic when I demoed it during a deep day.

Were you able to get on the new Automatic 102 version? I was wondering is this new Automatic line geared towards the big mountain skinning crowd, or can it be used inbounds resort and back bowl as well?

If you had a chance to get on 102, any way you can compare it to the more all mountain Ritual at 103? Does the new Automatic line become more stiff and inbounds focus (less rise, rocker, tail rise) as the waist width model goes down, or are they relatively all the same except for width? Thanks in advance.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by madriversven View Post

Thanks for the preview Phil! Surprised this new Automatic line isnt garnering much interest.

Im pretty interested in this new line because of how much I enjoyed the original Automatic when I demoed it during a deep day.

Were you able to get on the new Automatic 102 version? I was wondering is this new Automatic line geared towards the big mountain skinning crowd, or can it be used inbounds resort and back bowl as well?

If you had a chance to get on 102, any way you can compare it to the more all mountain Ritual at 103? Does the new Automatic line become more stiff and inbounds focus (less rise, rocker, tail rise) as the waist width model goes down, or are they relatively all the same except for width? Thanks in advance.

I did get a chance to get on the 102, I think the 102 is a more soft snow biased ski than the Ritual is. I think it could be a great powder ski for a lighter less powerful skier that wants a finesse ski but not a wimp. Yes it has a speed limit but it is well above anyone that is considering a $499 ski. 

post #4 of 16

Thanks for the review.. I'm intrigued by this ski

 

How do you think it compares to the Cochise or Scott Punisher?   ... I've been on the TST for the past 3 seasons and enjoy it.  Like the stiff tail on the hard days, but it's super forgiving whenever it needs to be.. light and quick 


Edited by fza2001 - 3/24/14 at 7:55pm
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I have the 12/13 Automatic (186) and it is one my all-time favorite skis because of the attributes you ascribed to the 109.  on softer days, the Automatic is becoming my "go to" ski over my Bones or MX 88.   I will be looking for a new ski in this width next year and was thinking of a repeat (something I usually don't do).  How does the 109 compare to the older papa? 

post #6 of 16
Phil,

Thanks for the early "sneak peek" at these ski's. Can you say a few words about how these compare to the Patron/Unleashed Hell?

I'm a 57yr old lighter skier (150lbs), skiing Summit County, CO. I demo'ed the Patron and this years Rossi Super 7. I liked the Patron but felt pretty beat by the end of the day. The Super 7 was fun but didn't hold up well in the afternoon chopped up mank after a 6 - 10 inch snowfall that had settled and was skied out. Bounced me around quite a bit. I'm looking for something to add to the wider end of my ski's (Cham 87 and ~6yr old Prophet 100) - something with a bit of rocker and a bit less hooky in deep snow than my Prophet but won't wimp out after that new snow has been skied out and sun baked a bit on the southern exposures.

Of those, I'm looking at the Unleashed Hell (the lighter but similar brother to the Patron) rather than the Super 7. In your opinion, would it make sense to wait and demo the 2015 Automatic, with the logic that it will be a bit more stable than the Super 7 but maybe a bit less work than the Patron?
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Are these for sale yet in shops? Love my Autos and these 109's could be a nice addition.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Wallee View Post

Phil,

Thanks for the early "sneak peek" at these ski's. Can you say a few words about how these compare to the Patron/Unleashed Hell?

I'm a 57yr old lighter skier (150lbs), skiing Summit County, CO. I demo'ed the Patron and this years Rossi Super 7. I liked the Patron but felt pretty beat by the end of the day. The Super 7 was fun but didn't hold up well in the afternoon chopped up mank after a 6 - 10 inch snowfall that had settled and was skied out. Bounced me around quite a bit. I'm looking for something to add to the wider end of my ski's (Cham 87 and ~6yr old Prophet 100) - something with a bit of rocker and a bit less hooky in deep snow than my Prophet but won't wimp out after that new snow has been skied out and sun baked a bit on the southern exposures.

Of those, I'm looking at the Unleashed Hell (the lighter but similar brother to the Patron) rather than the Super 7. In your opinion, would it make sense to wait and demo the 2015 Automatic, with the logic that it will be a bit more stable than the Super 7 but maybe a bit less work than the Patron?
Really a different feel than the patron. The Automatic has a much longer wheelbase along with a lower tip profile and more taper in the tail. The flex is more balanced through the whole ski than the Nordica too. The inherent shape makes it a better all/big mountain option over the soft snow biased patron
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Originally Posted by procos View Post

Are these for sale yet in shops? Love my Autos and these 109's could be a nice addition.
No they are not.
post #9 of 16
Thanks for the feedback. It helps to "slot" these various ski's in my mind regarding how they might ski in different snow conditions.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Really a different feel than the patron. The Automatic has a much longer wheelbase along with a lower tip profile and more taper in the tail. The flex is more balanced through the whole ski than the Nordica too. The inherent shape makes it a better all/big mountain option over the soft snow biased patron
No they are not.

Let me know when u get them in. My 117 Autos are my all time favorite ski and if the 109 skis like it just narrower I'll want it for sure.
post #11 of 16

For the last 4 seasons I've been on the Rossi S7 178 cm (140-110-118). It's a great powder ski but I'd really like something with more stability when going fast through the crud and tracked up PNW powder. This ski looks like it might be the ticket. Any other recommendation? Thanks.

Me: 

5'6", 140lbs  expert skier

~30 days/season mostly PNW; 1 or 2 cat/heli trips/yr

post #12 of 16

Ritual Rocks! !!! Thumbs UpThumbs Up

 

Does anybody really need anything over 103 underfoot with a 138mm tip?

 

2014 Men's Powder Ski Editors' Choice: Atomic Ritual

 

This is my ski (unless of course I am on my D2 Race Gs or D2 Race Stock Slaloms)

 

 

http://www.onthesnow.com/gear/a/1452/2014-powder-ski-buyers--guide/atomic/ritual

post #13 of 16
Curious to why the 109 is not on atomic catalog? Maybe I missed!
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Originally Posted by noworries311 View Post

For the last 4 seasons I've been on the Rossi S7 178 cm (140-110-118). It's a great powder ski but I'd really like something with more stability when going fast through the crud and tracked up PNW powder. This ski looks like it might be the ticket. Any other recommendation? Thanks.
Me: 
5'6", 140lbs  expert skier
~30 days/season mostly PNW; 1 or 2 cat/heli trips/yr

I'm about your size and I demoed many skis in this category, I spent this past season on rocker2 115 178cm, it can charge and it's great in powder and soft tracked, but not really good in crud I thought the low TR was making the ski wanna turn all the time in crud so for next year I'm replacing by ON3P Billy Goat 176 which is 114 underfoot!

My second option from last years demo was the Line 115, followed by gunsmoke, they both can handle crud pretty well but the rocker2 is more easygoing, but now I don't find them to be stiff enough.
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Thanks man. I appreciate the advice. Since my post I was able to demo the line influence 115 alongside the atomic automatic, Gunsmoke and Sick Day 110. The influence 115 was my favorite by far. I found it to be incredibly stable of speed, just as quick and the trees. Not quite as surfy as the automatic. I'm curious to see what you think of the Billy Goat. I haven't had the chance to demo it but I'd like to. From what I've read it seems like it would be the stiffest and burliest out of the them.
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Originally Posted by noworries311 View Post

I'm curious to see what you think of the Billy Goat. I haven't had the chance to demo it but I'd like to. From what I've read it seems like it would be the stiffest and burliest out of the them.

until you try the moment governor! man that ski was a tank!
post #16 of 16

Belatedly, thanks, Phil. Wonderful review of a very interesting ski!

 

It's fatter ~117 brother is first on my list for next year's skis I'd like to see reviews of (followed closely by the Line Supernatural ~115 and any change in the '15 Billygoat, both mentioned favorably in this thread).

 

 I am really looking forward to your take on the new '15 Autos ~117, since I've heard they will be 10% stiffer than last year's model.

 

My hope is they will be slightly more stable at speed and on edge in crud, and yet just as good in choppy/crud bumps as the old Auto.

If so, I'll probably buy. 

 (P.S., I'm a lighter weight skier.)

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

Ritual Rocks! !!! Thumbs UpThumbs Up

 

Does anybody really need anything over 103 underfoot with a 138mm tip?

 

2014 Men's Powder Ski Editors' Choice: Atomic Ritual

 

This is my ski (unless of course I am on my D2 Race Gs or D2 Race Stock Slaloms)

 

 

http://www.onthesnow.com/gear/a/1452/2014-powder-ski-buyers--guide/atomic/ritual

 

Hi, A-man. I almost agree, having put ~45 days on my Rituals the past two seasons. They float, they carve fast, they do soft bumps and pow bumps incredibly.  

 

 This past season, I eventually tried wider skis, esp. ~115 size. Man, it was more than I had suspected. 

As a fellow Atomic ride-the-edge guy, I wanted to describe the difference, from a Ritual carver's point of view. 

 

Take the Atomic Automatics. What they add over the Rituals is more stability at speed in powder over 6", and a slightly better floating feel, esp. in the turns, in powder at least 4" deep. They also add stability in chop/crud all over the mountain, but esp. in soft bumps and uneven conditions (pm resort conditions). They make a different, bigger, faster turn possible in those conditions, esp. in most bumps, over the Ritual (comparing the 182 Ritual to the 186 Auto, for me). And they carve. 

 

My two favorite fatties so far, mostly because of their feel in pow:

 

the 13/14 Atomic Automatic ~115 (esp. for pm resort pow/chop/crud days), and 

 

the 13/14 Ros Super 7 ~115 (esp. for am resort pow/chop days). The '14 Super 7 does have the limitations mentioned above by others, but it is so neat in Powder, and will hold a fast gs carve on groomers (tho slightly weird feel) and does pretty well in bumps (tho not as well as the Rituals, unless it's over 6"). 

 

Of the fatter skis I tried, these were the ones I'd trade off Rituals for on 6"+ days in Colo. 

 

But next season I want to also try the Line Supernaturals ~115 (the replacement for the Line Influences),

and maybe the ON3P Billygoats, both mentioned above, for the reasons mentioned. There may well be others, don't know. :) 


Edited by ski otter - 7/28/14 at 11:25am
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