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post #31 of 50

Mfa81, I know exactly how you feel (EXCEPT that I'm on the Ice Coast, so my crappy conditions are worse than yours). Would it be a consolation if I tell you this:

 

every time we went for a ski trip (like you, we have about 15 days in 3 trips so far), conditions were *supposed* to improve right after we left, so we had been upset about leaving every time. BUT despite forecasts, it only got worse each time, in different ways. (One time the forecast had snow in it; in reality, there were strong winds and no snow. Another time it was supposed to get warmer after a polar vortex - well it did get warmer, with a rain, for a day, then another polar vortex came.) Interestingly, it does make me happier to know that I didn't miss anything by not staying a couple more days.   But of course it's upsetting in general that there hasn't been enough snow, and that another ski trip this season wouldn't have great skiing.

 

To folks who tell us to just "ski more", like drop everything, forget your responsibilities, become a ski bum... Well, for most us there's also some life that we are living beside skiing. Please don't be so condescending to an average recreational skier. We really appreciate all the priceless advice and info that this forum provides. ;)

 

I guess your attitude depends a lot on the situation. If you're able to ski 40-50 days a year, own a season pass, live within an easy drive to a nice mountain and have a flexible work schedule...Sure, you can enjoy great skiing one day and be satisfied with "just okay" conditions another day. But if you don't ski as much and actually pay per day of skiing (lift tickets, lodging, ski school for kids), it is frustrating to pay just as much for conditions that aren't adequate. Lift ticket costs the same even if half the trails are closed, right?

 

All our skiing this year has been on ice. (The only snow week there was, we couldn't get out of work.) Yes, I'm becoming a better ice skier, more aware of proper stance and balance on ice.  Can even handle bumps with rocks now. But is it worth it? I'm not entirely sure. We're thinking another ski trip in mid-March, for 4 or 5 days. For a family of 4, it would cost about $2000 (with the most economical & careful planning). Do we want more ice skiing or maybe put that money toward a trip out West next year?      

post #32 of 50
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Originally Posted by Spooky View Post
 

 

I respectfully disagree and borrowing from John Lennon:

 

I guess life is what happens while you're waiting to ski again. I prefer to have no life. 

 

Also: sometimes a man needs to leave the nest and hunt pow. If a storm is coming and you are flexible, head down here and ski with me.

Still skiing every day? You were about to become a professor! :rolleyes

 

Almost gave you a call the other weekend I was in Utah, but I had my wife and a friend that can't even keep up with me, now you can imagine about keeping up with you!

post #33 of 50
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
 

Well I guess you could blame God for the weather not coinciding with your play time - good luck.

 

There is a solution.  Become a local so you can go when the snow is good, be a bum and don't work, own your own business out of your home so no one knows when you're away on business or just hang around a long time and retire, then you can go all the time when you live close to the goods.   Otherwise ....................................................

 

I have talked to quite a few of these folks on the chair lifts this season. More so, than I can remember. 

post #34 of 50
Dirt is the only "crap condition" in my book.

Ive had just the opposite situation this year - every trip has been snow starting in early Dec carrying through to the last trip 2/22. Been lucky everywhere, Vail, Aspen, JH, SLC and MJ. Sometimes it gets that way. Sometimes not. Youre a couple hours from SV - so kind of easy to time that. Obviously SLC and JH are a bit longer to drive - but basically any time this past month you could have driven to JH and if you stayed 2 days had some fresh snow. Try dealing with having multiple "gameplans" assuming your flight is cancelled/diverted, wishing it would just stop snowing or visibility to get better at that small airport that you have flown half-way across the country to try and get to, etc, etc. its all good looking back - but can get a bit stressful.

Its a crapshoot unless you have a NetJets card - or willing to pay $ at the last minute. But, lets be clear - even a supposed "bad day" on the hill, in the alpine environment is still better than being at the office?

Been lucky this year - hope it continues, but know it wont.- but Im realistic about it.

BTW - SLC is usually pretty snowy in March.
post #35 of 50
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Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
 

she keeps telling me there is more in life than just skiing!

You must divorce her now, or have her liquidated for her insolence!!!!!! My wife used to tell me the ame thing, so one day I agreed with her and added fly fishing to my short list.

post #36 of 50
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Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
 

Still skiing every day? You were about to become a professor! :rolleyes

 

Almost gave you a call the other weekend I was in Utah, but I had my wife and a friend that can't even keep up with me, now you can imagine about keeping up with you!

I have been trying. I got a late start, my first day of the season was at the gathering. I am skiing slower this season due to a leg problem, so hit me up if you are thinking of coming down. 

post #37 of 50
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For a family of 4, it would cost about $2000 (with the most economical & careful planning). Do we want more ice skiing or maybe put that money toward a trip out West next year?   

In the East you really need to be flexible with your timing and make last minute calls. There is plenty of good skiing in New England, but there are also lots of those rain/freezes, and neither is predictable more than a few days in advance.  If you can't be flexible, then yes you should be going west where the odds are more in your favor.  Powder probabilities are low for any advance booked trip, but the incidence of the "crap conditions" is much higher in the East.

post #38 of 50
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
 

In the East you really need to be flexible with your timing and make last minute calls. There is plenty of good skiing in New England, but there are also lots of those rain/freezes, and neither is predictable more than a few days in advance.  If you can't be flexible, then yes you should be going west where the odds are more in your favor.  Powder probabilities are low for any advance booked trip, but the incidence of the "crap conditions" is much higher in the East.

Thanks Tony, your snow data is really very useful and will help with future planning.

 

But I was debating the wisdom of "skiing more" and enjoying all kinds of conditions" when this costs a lot of $, requires a long drive, etc. If skiing was free, sure, I would certainly never complain about conditions. "A day spent skiing beats a day in the office" - yeah but I get paid for a day in the office, and it's close to home....

 

Unfortunately it's not even theoretically possible to go West for an extended weekend, so we will persevere enjoying the ice skiing :eek

post #39 of 50
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But I was debating the wisdom of "skiing more" and enjoying all kinds of conditions" when this costs a lot of $, requires a long drive, etc. If skiing was free, sure, I would certainly never complain about conditions. "A day spent skiing beats a day in the office" - yeah but I get paid for a day in the office, and it's close to home....

I always roll my eyes when someone pulls out the office quote. I like my job and I love my collegues. I would rather be in the office on a day like today where it's raining in the mountains. Skiing is an investment of time and money for me; it's not always worth it.
post #40 of 50

There IS a threshold of "not worth skiing."  I have skied exactly one day in the SoCal local mountains in the past two years because we are in a super drought.. That big storm last weekend?  4 inches of rain in the ski areas followed by a modest 8-11 inches of new snow.  With zero base underneath the 8-11 inches wasn't going to open anything that hadn't been open on snowmaking since December.

 

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enjoying all kinds of conditions" when this costs a lot of $, requires a long drive.. 

From Long Island it's a very long drive to the better New England mountains.  NYC is one of the most competitive markets for airfares.  I WOULD be flying to Denver or Salt Lake for long weekends in your situation.

post #41 of 50

I've seen WAY more people show up only to bail on ski conditions because it was too cold than I have seen bail because it was too warm, slushy, BAREly open.  Now, that doesn't include the hoards of people that blow off spring skiing to go play golf or ride their bikes because they're burned out from skiing all winter and ready to start summer activities instead.

 

On a terrible day (really cold, raining, thin cover/slush) I may only ski for two hours after driving three to get there, but I NEVER completely bail if there is a lift running.

post #42 of 50
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On a terrible day (really cold, raining, thin cover/slush) I may only ski for two hours after driving three to get there, but I NEVER completely bail if there is a lift running. 

I have the same attitude once I've made the time and $ commitment to arrive at a ski area.  The time to be selective is in deciding whether to go in the first place.  This is easiest to do for areas within daytrip drive distance, which explains my absence at the SoCal locals recently.

post #43 of 50
 

On a terrible day (really cold, raining, thin cover/slush) I may only ski for two hours after driving three to get there, but I NEVER completely bail if there is a lift running.

 

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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
 

I have the same attitude once I've made the time and $ commitment to arrive at a ski area.  The time to be selective is in deciding whether to go in the first place.  This is easiest to do for areas within daytrip drive distance, which explains my absence at the SoCal locals recently.


Right, me too, I'd definitely ski if I'm already there. (Unless perhaps it's a longer trip and there's a way to leave early and not spend all of the money.) But if you know it's gonna be terrible, is it wise to waste time and $? And if you have already committed and there's no way to get money back, it's hard to not be upset about awful conditions. (That's kinda what the original post was about - being upset, not bailing out of skiing)

post #44 of 50
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Originally Posted by hamster on skis View Post
 

 

 (That's kinda what the original post was about - being upset, not bailing out of skiing)

That's right! I never bail! I'm there I'm gonna ski, whatever it's there to ski! But that doesn't change the fact I'm gonna get upset when I left and there is 10" of fresh next day! :mad

post #45 of 50

I'd love to have great conditions whenever I ski.  Perhaps that is skier heaven.  :D  Every day a powder with untracked lines and a blue sky!

 

But, as long as there is some intermediate and advanced terrain open where I'm skiing and the conditions aren't too extreme (heavy rain, extreme wind, sub-zero temps) I'm going to have some fun.  I've skied twice this winter in the rain and being in the Mid-Atlantic, a couple of days on practically ice as well.  While I would have liked to have better conditions, I still had fun.  

post #46 of 50
I feel fortunate for taking 3 trips to Vail so far this year. Missed the snow on all but our last day last week. Snowed about 5 in. And on Chair 8 out of LIonshead we stopped at tower 14 for about 1 hr. 20 minutes!

Anyway when we finally unloaded the patrol was handing out Free Lift Ticket Vouchers. Two vouchers a piece. My friend's two sons were coming out this week and they don't have Epic Passes and were going to ski 3 days so they only needed to buy tickets for one day. So good on Vail doing that .

In 45 years or so of skiing I never had to be evacuated from a chair lift. I was relieved my record is still intact.

Skied hard for 3 hours off Lift 5 when we finally got to ski. Great time but I developed a blood blister between my little toe and the toe beside it. Quit early that afternoon. I couldn't believe the pain I had skiing the afternoon chop with that toe.

My good luck timing trips and storms has really declined the last couple seasons . Everything eventually evens out. But when I bought my Chams 2 years ago I did not imagine a prolonged powder drought.
post #47 of 50
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 

AND YOUR COMPLAINING???  I live in Central NJ, nuff said.


Yeah, really...although I live within 40 minutes of 7 ski areas, they are small bumps compared to what you can easily get to.  And every time we've had some decent natural snow, it's been followed by warm rainy weather followed by freezing temps. No money for trips this year, so I have gotten one decent day on the slopes. 

 

You'll eventually hit it right, so I hope you have a vehicle that can get you there and back  :-)

post #48 of 50

I can sympathize with the OP.  I went through a 3-4 year stretch where it seemed like I was constantly driving home from New England in a snowstorm.  The past 2 years, however, I've hit a number of powder days, including my first trip out West.

 

The universe tends to unfold as it should.

post #49 of 50

Some great thoughts here, thanks all. I'll add mine.

 

First off, why check conditions after you leave? I know we all do it, but if it's getting you down, try to stop doing it. I sometimes check what's going on in the PNW area resorts. I moved from Seattle to NYC more than 10 years ago! And it's almost always snowing at Baker! I should stop tormenting myself =).

 

A few comments suggested powder probabilities for ski trips are low. I think there are some exceptions. Tony Crocker has Mt. Baker at almost 30% 6+ inch powder day Dec.-Mar. It's a pretty safe bet that you'll see some new snow if you are at Baker for a week. It can get warm/rainy some weeks though, so certainly not a sure thing.

 

My wife and I pretty much chase powder on our ski trips. We decide we are going to do a week at Big Sky or Snowbird and before we know it we are driving to GT/JH/PowMow/Bridger to get the goods. We like the adventure. 

 

I can't really relate to the negative feelings when conditions aren't excellent. I mostly agree with the above that rocks are the only really crappy conditions. I would rather ski hard pack in the fog than go to work. Period. The worst conditions I ever saw with good coverage was one day at Snoqualmie in WA. They reported a few inches of new overnight so I was pretty excited. Turns out the "new snow" was frozen rain and a lot of it. I never saw such thick bulletproof ice. You literally could not kick through this glass. The grooming just turned it into ice cubes the size of baseballs. It was so bad they kept grooming after the chairs started running. We called it a day early, but I still don't think it was really a bad time. It was almost comical. 

post #50 of 50
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Tony Crocker has Mt. Baker at almost 30% 6+ inch powder day Dec.-Mar. It's a pretty safe bet that you'll see some new snow if you are at Baker for a week. It can get warm/rainy some weeks though, so certainly not a sure thing. 

Which is why Seattle is one of the best places for a skier to live and choose which days to ski.  Rain incidence makes it less attractive for an advance booked destination trip.

 

Destination skiers in Colorado may not see all that much powder but they aren't going to be skiing on 

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ice cubes the size of baseballs.  
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