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Elan GS Race Waveflex - what to expect + other general advice sought re: stiffness / rocker / straight camber

post #1 of 12
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A local shop here has what seems like a ridiculously good deal on a pair of NOS Elan GS Race 177 with EL 11 binding for around $200 bucks. This season I skied with my old Salomon X-Scream rec skis from way back in the day in a 183 cm.  That was my one and only pair of "parabolic" skis, as they used to be called.  Prior to that, I skied various Volkl models, P9 / P10's from 201 to 205 length. 

 

As and aside, I took an old pair of P10's out on my local hill last weekend with the kids, and it was just like I remember - rock solid.  Some guy had a pair of really old K2's from the 80s on the rack, so I felt good about the retro straight-ski showing.

 

Anyway, after a season of having instructors make fum of my old X-Screams, and telling me how great rocked skis are, I went internet shopping and got a pair of closeout Volkl Code PSI (probably from 11-12 season) in a 182 cm with Marker 120 TC.  I haven't had them mounted yet because I want to bring them somewhere that knows what they are doing with the stiffness adjustment and can explain to me how to do it.  I was mainly sold on these skis after watching this review ...     so I figure I want to try them at a 7 first, then maybe work up to 12.  I was disappointed that there seems to be nothing online to help you figure out the adjustment yourself... you'd think a torque wrench is a basic enough concept compared to, eh?

 

But back to my question - for folks who've skied the Elan, what's your opinion of the ski...? Should I (a) keep the Code's as a sort of "someday I'll get around to rockered skis" aspiration and go buy the GS Race, (b) get the Code's mounted and move on, or (c) get the Elan's and ship back the Code's, as they are still returnable. 

 

I ski pretty much all on piste.  I am 6'0 and 230 lbs.  (According to my "health coordinator", I need to get down to about 200 lbs. by next Jan. or my health insurance will skyrocket.)  The only thing I do ATM is ski with my kids, mostly blues but on an occassional "steep" here they call black, that is probably around 35 to 40 degrees grade, but I look forward to the day in the not to distant future when they will be cutting up the double blacks and running in the race leagues with me (something I've missed for the past 10 years). 

 

All input is appreciated. 

post #2 of 12

Do you really want a ski that comes to life at about 30 mph such as a GS race ski? Elan makes excellent carving skis and that's a great deal, but, only if you want that much of a ski. I've no experience with the Volkl, but, from the video it's clear that it is also a high speed carver. Perhaps someone else has experience with the concept of variable flex, but, that type of ski is not common or discussed here much.

 

My advice is to tell us a lot more about how you ski and what you hope to accomplish as if you ski infrequently there would be better skis for you.

post #3 of 12

That's a pretty serious race ski and I don't think the waveflex series is at all forgiving of bad technique.

You really have to be "on" those dogs and that's tiring.

post #4 of 12
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Yeah, I am used to skiing a very stiff ski.  The P10s I was mentioning are some kind of race stock and when I used to be about 180 lbs. you just could not carve them on a low speed flat.  Which is why probably 99% of my "instruction" method is to ski faster!!

 

Since I'm spending a lot of time on the blues with my kids, I thought the Code would be perfect.  But I want the ability to then, at the end of the day when it's time for night racing, put it in my bench and max up the stiffness.  Seems like the concept has been pretty much abandoned by Volkl in their current line, and I can't help complain that their failure to explain how to adjust the stiffness, and make it a "trip to the shop" affair would turn off most folks.  If I have to make a trip to the shop and have them set them stiff when I want to race, I still have to bring a second pair of skis to the hill.  That means I'm just going to get a stiffer race stock ski to begin with.

 

So after mulling it over, I think I'll just keep the codes and have them set to something soft (relative to my current weight), and go get the Elans to cart around for races.  It's my hope to join a club that does some racing with my daughter next year.

 

But really, it might just be I'm looking for an excuse to rebuild my quiver... ;)

post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by gdeangel View Post
 

A local shop here has what seems like a ridiculously good deal on a pair of NOS Elan GS Race 177 with EL 11 binding for around $200 bucks. These are not a real GS, they're a recreational GS, meaning casual racing, Nastar, and carving up the frontside. They have a good reputation. But the binding is too light for you, more for juniors and women. And you'll find the ski itself to be a bit flexy at your weight once you hit speed. So it would work nicely as a firm snow rec carver up to moderate (say 35-40 mph) speeds. Won't be rock solid at 50. Won't be as versatile as the Codes. 

 

...so I figure I want to try them at a 7 first, then maybe work up to 12.  I was disappointed that there seems to be nothing online to help you figure out the adjustment yourself... I'd take them to a shop and have them prep the skis, make sure the edges and bases are right, adjust the bindings. But it's your knees...

 

But back to my question... (b) get the Code's mounted and move on. This

 

post #6 of 12
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I was talking about the stiffness setting on the camber, not the binding.  

 

I took the codes to the local shop for setup.

 

Asked them if they can get me a leftover tool from Volkl so I can adjust the camber flex myself on the hill.  We'll see.  If anyone here has one to spare, PM me and I'll take it off your hands at a reasonable price...

post #7 of 12

We are talking about the GS, not the GSX, right?  This is not a stiff ski; 1 sheet of metal, basically a GS sidecut version of the Waveflex 12.  Great ski.  For a hard snow carver, nothing really beats Elan; they have the best top to bottom lineup of hard snow skis that I am aware of.

 

I say buy them!  I have an SLX wave flex carver; holy cow, what a fun ski!  I have also owned a GSX Waveflex carver; same deal, tons of fun and a good way to get a pass pulled!  The GS is more manageable. 

post #8 of 12

To stay with Elan, I tried their Ripstick fusion (in 176cm; 17.8m radius) 2 weeks ago and it was a really really really nice carver! I had the impression of having 2 scalpels under my feet, but friendly ones! They do them in 182 and 186...:drool

post #9 of 12
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Now I am just flaming mad.  Go the Code PSI back today.  Setup was at a shop about 1 mile from me - they are authorized Volkl dealer, etc.,  but they didn't sell me the ski.  When I asked about setting the camber stiffness before they did the work, the guy who took them in sounded like he knew how to set them up, but he wasn't sure if he had the setting chart and the tool.  So I pressed him a little - would he call Volkl and figure it out... so then another guy who was hovering around at the counter - probably the owner who didn't really think to highly of the fact that these skis were from another shop - said something like, well, we didn't stock that ski. 

 

I should have walked out, but I didn't.  The first guys says he'll take care of it, don't worry, he'll find the tool, etc. 

 

Well, I go to pick them up.  First guy is busy working on boots.  I ask the lady now at the desk what they did for the camber setting.  She is clueless.  She goes back to find the first guy.  Comes back and says they didn't do anything to the camber, they just mounted and set the bindings. Well, the little thermometer looking thingy on the tips is reading 7.  7 out of 12?  The little thermometer thingy looks like 7 out of 20.  I told them I am most aggressive type skier, at 240 lbs and 6 ft, seems soft.  Whatever, kids is waiting in the car.  Wife is waiting for me to pick up dinner.  Take the skis, head home.  Put them next to my skied out, not very stiff when they were new x-screams.  The damn Codes have less camber than the x-scream.  The flex is like a limp dick.  I am really pissed off. 

 

Finding a shop that knows what they are doing here seems to be like looking for a lifegaurd in the Sahara dessert.  Bootfitting.  Tuning.  Turning a f*cking screwdriver.  All these guys do is sell shit, cover their overhead, and buy more shit to sell.  They smile and are nice, but there is no craftsmanship.  Yeah, he didn't get the profit on my skis, but now I'll be damned if I ever go back to this shop even to buy a pair of socks. 

 

I'm going to complain to Volkl and tell them they should pull their line...  not that it will do anything, since they are now owned by a company that deals crock pots and coffee makers.  And, as the smart ass at the shop pointed out, they abandoned the PSi anyway.

post #10 of 12

You should eat one of my wife's brownies and chill out.  That said, is there a reason why you can't adjust the stiffness of the ski yourself?  I know me and in your shoes I want to be doing the adjustments and not leaving it to the shop.  Honestly, your going to complain to Volkl?  Calm down and adjust your own gear.

post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post
 

You should eat one of my wife's brownies and chill out.  That said, is there a reason why you can't adjust the stiffness of the ski yourself?  I know me and in your shoes I want to be doing the adjustments and not leaving it to the shop.  Honestly, your going to complain to Volkl?  Calm down and adjust your own gear.

you know he is very rude to offer someone brownies without offering to others?? :drool

 

Gdeangel, I would be mad at your place too... liv2 ski is right: if you can't find someone competent to do a job, do it yourself!

post #12 of 12
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Krispy Kreme doughnut. 

 

"Hot" light was on coming back from the hill on Sunday.

 

Problem with my skis... what skis?

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