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post #1 of 26
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Any knowledge or experience with the jh "true impact" 2day sessions?
post #2 of 26

I was wondering the same thing. Going to Jackson this February and was thinking about it myself. Did you end up doing it?

post #3 of 26

Paging @tetonpwdrjunkie to the white courtesy phone. 

post #4 of 26

I don't know very much about them.  I became aware of them last season and asked my supervisor what they were.  I pretty much forget exactly what I was told, but my impression is that they are a cross between a "normal" group lesson and a camp.  They go out at a few different ability levels and last for two days with the same instructor and students.  I forget exactly who was teaching them, but I do remember that the instructors were people who had been around for a while and who I thought were pretty solid choices.

post #5 of 26

Thanks.  I'm deciding between that or a couple of privates, but from I recently read the privates at JH aren't really privates.  The Steep to Deep is too advanced for my ability.  I saw that JH used to have an Steep Intermediate camp (http://www.jacksonhole.com/steep-intermediate-camp.html) that would have suited me but it doesn't look like they offer that anymore.   

 

I'm an east coast skier comfortable going fast on blues and many blacks but not all blacks and stick to the front-side.  It's time I start to push my boundaries and start exploring the rest of the mountain and become comfortable skiing more varied terrain.  I'm coming to JH with my ski club and really want to start improving.

 

What would you suggest  I look into when I arrive at JH?

post #6 of 26
I am sure you can get a truly private lesson at some price. http://www.jacksonhole.com/private-lessons.html

It says 1-5 people. That doesn't mean they shove someone in the lesson with you. It means if you want, you can do it with your buddies.
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by Lpass View Post
 

Thanks.  I'm deciding between that or a couple of privates, but from I recently read the privates at JH aren't really privates.  The Steep to Deep is too advanced for my ability.  I saw that JH used to have an Steep Intermediate camp (http://www.jacksonhole.com/steep-intermediate-camp.html) that would have suited me but it doesn't look like they offer that anymore.   

 

I'm an east coast skier comfortable going fast on blues and many blacks but not all blacks and stick to the front-side.  It's time I start to push my boundaries and start exploring the rest of the mountain and become comfortable skiing more varied terrain.  I'm coming to JH with my ski club and really want to start improving.

 

What would you suggest  I look into when I arrive at JH?

 

It might be that you read something I wrote about having private lessons with a group of people in the lesson and misunderstood.  At JHMR, a private lesson means that you hire an instructor for a lesson.  You can choose the instructor or one will be assigned to you.  For the cost of the private lesson, you can have a 1-1 lesson with that instructor or you can have yourself and four other people of your choosing join you for no additional cost.  It's a private even if you have 5 people in the group because it is your group.  The SS will not add anyone to that group, even if it is group of 1.

 

You could check out the two day lesson, it might be great for you.  You might also get a lot of the Mountain X group lesson product.  If you do a Mountain X and it goes well, you can do another day with the same instructor for as long as you feel it's working for you.  In this case the SS will add some new students each day to keep the class full.  Sometimes I have had groups of 3 or more stay together for several days and ski with me.  If 3 or more students stay together, the SS will not add new students to that group AND they typically get to skip the line-up and class forming process.

 

I will know more about the True Impact product after the season starts.  Feel free to ask me for more information in December. 

post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by Lpass View Post
 

Thanks.  I'm deciding between that or a couple of privates, but from I recently read the privates at JH aren't really privates.  The Steep to Deep is too advanced for my ability.  I saw that JH used to have an Steep Intermediate camp (http://www.jacksonhole.com/steep-intermediate-camp.html) that would have suited me but it doesn't look like they offer that anymore.   

 

I'm an east coast skier comfortable going fast on blues and many blacks but not all blacks and stick to the front-side.  It's time I start to push my boundaries and start exploring the rest of the mountain and become comfortable skiing more varied terrain.  I'm coming to JH with my ski club and really want to start improving.

 

What would you suggest  I look into when I arrive at JH?

Last season I checked out JH for the first time with a couple ski buddies.  We had a "private" 4-hr lesson with early start set up beforehand for the three of us.  I asked my friends to join me to reduce the cost for myself.  Plus I learn a lot from experienced Level 3 instructors when they are teaching friends who are also advanced skiers.

 

Since your going with a ski club, perhaps ask around and see if one or two others of similar ability level would be interested in scheduling a private early in the week with TPJ.  He comes highly recommended by more than one Bear.  My friends and I were lucky enough to ski a few runs with him when he had a little time off.  He was nice enough to show us where to find good snow since it hadn't snowed for three weeks.

 

Based on what I learned about JH and the JH ski school, if I were traveling solo then Mountain X program would probably be on my list of things to do.

post #9 of 26

Thank you all for all the information it's much appreciated.  I'm going to wait to find out more about the 2 day true impact class before making a decision.  Right now I feel like I'm in between the Turn it up class and the Mountain X.   I'm hoping to get in some decent skiing before my trip and hopefully I will feel more confident in the Mountain X.  I don't ski moguls but have been told I should learn and that will help my overall skiing when going off piste so that will be my focus before JH.

 

TPJ thanks for the info and I'll def ask you more about that 2 day true impact course and if I choose to do a private, I'll send you a note.

 

Thanks again!

post #10 of 26

Recently found this thread while searching for information here on Epicski about the Jackson Hole True Impact Clinic.

 

Like Lpass, I will also be at JH in early Feb and have been urged to take advantage of the high quality of instruction there. I see that TPR has provided some excellent information about private instruction and has also generously offered to provide information about the True Impact Clinic once the season starts and he's had an opportunity to get familiar with it. I hope to be able to take him up on that offer but also thought I'd take this opportunity to bump the thread to see if anyone else can offer some information.

 

Also like Lpass, I will be there with a ski club and will look into Marznc's suggestion to see if there are a couple of others at my skill level who may be interested in sharing a private lesson. For a variety of reasons, that's not likely to pan out, and I can't swing a private lesson on my own. Something like the TIC may be the only option for more intensive instruction - it would be very valuable to have more information about the clinic to see if that's true.

post #11 of 26
Are you sure that they aren't new this year? Seems like that is why he said he'd have to let you know.
post #12 of 26

Last year was the first year.  I heard about them on Epic and asked my supervisor, who gave me the run down on what they were trying to do with them and who had been tapped to teach them.  I don't remember what I was told accurately enough to comment more than I have already.

post #13 of 26

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Are you sure that they aren't new this year? Seems like that is why he said he'd have to let you know.

 

 

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Last year was the first year.  I heard about them on Epic and asked my supervisor, who gave me the run down on what they were trying to do with them and who had been tapped to teach them.  I don't remember what I was told accurately enough to comment more than I have already.

 

Ahh - that explains a lot. Have to stop being so impatient and just wait for the season to start to learn any more.

post #14 of 26

Bump for TPJ.

 

I know it's still early in December but wonder if there's anything more you can provide on the True Impact lessons.

post #15 of 26

Sorry to forget about responding sooner, it has been a busy season.  I still don't know a ton about this product, but here is what I think I know...  It is a two day group lesson.  The groups will be split according to ability and each group will ski with the same instructor for both days.  Lunches are included.  I think that vouchers are being given out and each group can decide where to go to use them.  I think that there is at least one evening social event where video from the vid session might be played.  On the second day, an early Tram or Gondola is available.  For the novice groups that get the included gear option, a new 80 flex Rossignol boot is fitted to the student.  At the end of the lesson, the student keeps than boot and JH Sports will tweak the fit.  I haven't personally held or inspected this boot, but it looked nice in the training we did.  It was described to me as a very good first boot for a novice skier and much better than the average rental boot.  

 

I hope this is helpful.  I think one of them started today.  I have no idea who is working the product, but suspect that all of the instructors being used have been around for a while.

post #16 of 26

Bumping up this thread. Just want to see if anyone has any experience or info on the 2 day ski camp at Jackson Hole.

 

I'll be there on 2/14 to 2/19. I feel like a lesson there would be the best way to help me explore it's famous terrains and challenge me beyond my comfort zone. The two day camp is about $200 more expensive than 2 days of group lessons. Is it worth it?

 

How big are group lessons at JH (on Wed and Thurs)? I've had very different (but equally good) experiences with group lessons at different resorts (Vail had 7-8 people even in advanced groups) while Ajax's group lessons are basically 1:1 since everyone takes privates there). I assume with JH's reputation as an advanced skier's mountain, the upper group lessons would be pretty large as well?

post #17 of 26
I've taken a full day group lesson at JH twice once in 2015 and all the advance groups I saw including mine had three people.

Today two friends and I took a lesson that I arranged with tetonpwdrjunkie. He is an excellent instructor and if you can arrange to be with him I recommend it. You'll learn. I promise.

He'll tell you that JH has great instructors so it's hard to go wrong. It's a great way to learn the mtn.
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by Phillyguy03 View Post
 

Bumping up this thread. Just want to see if anyone has any experience or info on the 2 day ski camp at Jackson Hole.

 

I'll be there on 2/14 to 2/19. I feel like a lesson there would be the best way to help me explore it's famous terrains and challenge me beyond my comfort zone. The two day camp is about $200 more expensive than 2 days of group lessons. Is it worth it?

 

How big are group lessons at JH (on Wed and Thurs)? I've had very different (but equally good) experiences with group lessons at different resorts (Vail had 7-8 people even in advanced groups) while Ajax's group lessons are basically 1:1 since everyone takes privates there). I assume with JH's reputation as an advanced skier's mountain, the upper group lessons would be pretty large as well?


I've had some more experience with the two day group lesson since my last post.  They are basically a two day group lesson with the same instructor and the same students for both days.  Lunches, video, and an early tram are included.  

 

Group lessons are usually about 3 students.  I've rarely had more than 4 in a group.

post #19 of 26
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I've had some more experience with the two day group lesson since my last post.  They are basically a two day group lesson with the same instructor and the same students for both days.  Lunches, video, and an early tram are included.  

 

Group lessons are usually about 3 students.  I've rarely had more than 4 in a group.

Good to know.  Based on my experience in recent years, it's pretty clear to me that working the same instructor more than once during the same ski trip has value.  For someone who isn't going to JH with friends interested in a pre-arranged semi-private lesson, the 2-day workshop seems worth considering.

 

I've worked with enough instructors (PSIA Level 3) during trips out west to know first-hand that working with the same instructor in the same week is worthwhile.  I've arranged for two semi-private lessons during the same ski trip for me and a ski buddy a few times at Alta, working with the same instructor who I started working with several years ago.  One season he was injured and the Alta Ski School picked the instructor (25+ years of experience).  We are advanced skiers and the lessons were 2.0-2.5 hours long.  My friend and I had two trips to Alta that season (one week or longer).  Did two lessons with the "random" instructor the first trip and the second trip with an instructor recommended by my regular instructor.  In both cases, the pairs of lessons made a big difference in the long run.  Pretty easy to tell since the two of us ski at Alta regularly and have been adding terrain that fun instead of intimidating every season.  I started taking lessons regularly after knee rehab a few years ago (after age 55).  My ski buddy hadn't had a lesson since high school since he was an advanced skier back then (he's older than I am).

post #20 of 26

Based on tetonpwdrjunkie's recommendation, I took a group lesson at JHMR when I was there in 2015. There were three in the group, and it was one of the best days I've spent on the slopes.

 

Our small group agreed that we should concentrate on technique and tactics for skiing in the trees; the instructor (who was very good by the way) was only too happy to accommodate the request. Was a great day exploring terrain I wouldn't have felt confident enough to do on my own and I learned quite a bit to boot. I can't imagine that a private lesson could have been much different.

post #21 of 26

I took a group lesson today. The instructor was great. He really tried to make sure all 4 of us are included. However, I was a little disappointed for the terrain we skied for what was supposed to be an expert lesson. I told them ahead of time that I had a level 8 lesson last month at Ajax and we did bumps and trees all day and I would like to continue working on these areas. The other guy also said the same thing about his goals so I thought it would be a good group. The third guy was in the advanced group yesterday and stayed on with the same instructor and we picked up the other person from advanced group during ski off.

 

We spent most of the first two hours on double blues and Kemmerer. We worked on lower and upper body separate which is great, but overall this felt like a level 7 lesson. We then made it to Paint Brush and Tower Tree Chute which were probably the highlights of my day. We then finished down Ashley Ridge before lunch. I was surprised that we did not do lunch as a group, which was always the case for group lessons elsewhere.

 

After lunch we did Cascade, and I was excited to keep working on some more difficult runs. But other two people noted that they were all pretty tired and wanted to take it easy, so we ended up doing more double blue runs. We did make it up the last Tram and skied down Rendezvous Bowl, but at that time we didn't really get any feedback and just skied down the mountain. We ended up taking traverses down.

 

This definitely did not feel like a level 8 lesson. My biggest disappointment is that this mountain has so many amazing advanced runs and chutes that I'd like to get comfortable on, and it really did not challenge me on any new terrain, except for the Tower Tree Chute. I would love to spend most of the day on ungroomed black runs and get better at it, but I don't think that's really possible in a group lesson here. I think the problem may be that instead of using levels 7-9, there's only one expert level here. So everyone 7-9 is grouped together. And the ski off is on a double blue run, so it's really hard to separate the group. What a shame :-(

 

post #22 of 26
Sounds like a steep and deep camp might be a better match to your expectations.
post #23 of 26
The bright side is that the power was on. I was lucky and only lost one day of skiing last week. Lessons are expensive and you want value for your money. In three western trips in three years I've taken a full day lesson on the first day on the slopes. My expectation is to learn one maybe two skills and have the instructor show me terrain that I would normally shy away from. I think trying for more than that at your skill level is hard. Once you have advanced to off piste and tree skiing a private lesson may be the only option that will advance your skills significantly.

I recommend researching instructors and getting a recommendation. Then contact them directly to set up a lesson and tip generously.
post #24 of 26

It's not quite fair to say that there is one expert group or that using the numbers 7-9 is a better system than what we use to sort the groups.  I was there today and there were four groups that went out in the advanced expert zone.  The biggest group was 4 people.  My group was essentially a private lesson as it was a group of one.  From where I was standing at the ski off the groups seemed well sorted.  I didn't ski off trail at all today because my student, who was quite good, had no desire to ski anything that looked like a bump.  Most of the off trail stuff I saw didn't look very good with the possible exception of the North facing stuff up high which is also double black.  I am a bit judicious about who I take down runs like Tower 3.  From the look of your map you did a bunch of skiing.  I wasn't your instructor and can't speak to why your group didn't ski more off trail.  I can say as a professional that when people in the group talk about being tired I start thinking about lowering the intensity of the skiing, especially if the conditions are tricky.  

 

It is very possible to take an advanced or expert group lesson at JH and have the experience you were looking for.  I know because I teach them all the time.  I'm sorry that you didn't have a better experience.

post #25 of 26

I'll bet Cascade and the Granny Chutes were great after lunch when it softened up!

post #26 of 26

Just to follow up. I ended up taking another group lesson today and had a fantastic time. I had the same instructor as I did two days ago and I made it clear that I would like to spend as much time off-piste as possible. I was grouped with a family of 3, all fairly similar levels, one slightly better than me and pushed the other two along during the day.

 

After an hour of drills, we spent most of the day off-piste, did a lot of trees, toilet bowl, alta chutes, etc. Many of those tree runs looked quite scary and pushed me beyond my comfort zone which was exactly what I was looking for. We didn't end up taking lunch until 2pm, but I totally enjoyed every minute and every run.

 

So in the end, I think there's definitely value to multi-day lessons/camps. Having the same high-quality instructor is important, but having the right group dynamic is probably the most important factor in a group lesson. I'm super glad I took another lesson today, and will seriously consider the type of lessons I take in the future.

 

I also want to thank tetonpwdrjunkie for all of his help during my trip.

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