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difference between Foot steering/ thigh steering?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

its the same thing.

 

(not here to debate the merit of foot steering) just saying this is one of the silliest video I have ever seen, with crappy skiing being demostrated. 

 

 

why are BASI such poor demonstrators? 

post #2 of 10

I think he may be on to something.  I find that a lot of skiers (including me) don't have enough hip rotation.   Without that rotation, they can't get any upper/lower body separation, and they can't continuously move into better balance.

OTOH I can't agree that anyone is ever taught "foot steering." When I did a lot of beginner lessons, I tried to get the first turn by teaching extension and tipping. I found that some students started twisting from the ankles if I talked about steering.  Once they were turning I added a little counter to create a little hip rotation. The goal of the beginner lesson was get get all the effective movements working, even if those movements were weak.  The hope was that, as balance skills improved and the skier became more familiar with the sensations of sliding, stronger and more accurate movements would develop more or less spontaneously. Sometimes it worked.

I also lose interest pretty quickly whenever a ski instructor talks about specific muscles using the Latin names.  Have you ever heard a coach in any other sport refer to a specific muscle?  Can you even imagine Bill Belacheck using the term "piriformis"? 

 

BK

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Originally Posted by Bode Klammer View Post
 

I think he may be on to something.  I find that a lot of skiers (including me) don't have enough hip rotation.   Without that rotation, they can't get any upper/lower body separation, and they can't continuously move into better balance.

OTOH I can't agree that anyone is ever taught "foot steering." When I did a lot of beginner lessons, I tried to get the first turn by teaching extension and tipping. I found that some students started twisting from the ankles if I talked about steering.  Once they were turning I added a little counter to create a little hip rotation. The goal of the beginner lesson was get get all the effective movements working, even if those movements were weak.  The hope was that, as balance skills improved and the skier became more familiar with the sensations of sliding, stronger and more accurate movements would develop more or less spontaneously. Sometimes it worked.

I also lose interest pretty quickly whenever a ski instructor talks about specific muscles using the Latin names.  Have you ever heard a coach in any other sport refer to a specific muscle?  Can you even imagine Bill Belacheck using the term "piriformis"? 

 

BK

 

 

ummm hip rotation? as in femur in hip or the hip its self rotating? 

post #4 of 10

What I see as the difference between what they're calling foot steering and thigh steering is allowing the leg to travel out from under the body ("thigh steering") versus keeping the pivot point directly under the body ("foot steering"). 

post #5 of 10

It's about rotating the femur in the hip.  Without that, your upper body needs to stay square to your skis, you can't balance effectively and you're not going to get your feet very far out from under you.  I'm not sure how much steering is necessary, and I don't believe steering requires any unusual strength.  ( I don't think recreational skiing requires any more strength then is required to maintain good posture.)  Regardless of whether you are steering or just using balancing movements, you still need that femur rotation.  I find that a lot of skiers (including me) struggle to balance because they don't have enough of that rotation. 

 

BK

post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

 

ummm hip rotation? as in femur in hip or the hip its self rotating? 

 

It's about rotation of the femur in the hip, and I went back to my earlier post and fixed it.
 
BK
post #7 of 10

I would say this video shows the femurs rotating

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEpfMO1qNBA

 

 

If you lay on your back with your feet in the air, you can easily see the difference in foot vs thigh 

simply by how much the knee travels.

post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by docbrad66 View Post
 

I would say this video shows the femurs rotating

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEpfMO1qNBA

 

 

If you lay on your back with your feet in the air, you can easily see the difference in foot vs thigh 

simply by how much the knee travels.

Which supports my opinion that femur rotation is necessary for good balance, and to refer back to te original video, good skiing in crud requires femur rotation for effective balance, but not necessarily for "steering." 

 

BK

post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post

 

 

why are BASI such poor demonstrators? 

 

Must be the stiff upper lip!

post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post

why are BASI such poor demonstrators? 

Because they are poor skiers; at least compared to the rest of the world's national organizations.
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