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post #31 of 38
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I was thinking they would be stiff but hopefully forgiving. However it is a race ski so can't complain too much.


Cross that with an all-mountain single tip then we are getting closer.

 

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Typing "K2 R12 ski" into Google brought up this thread as the second entry.  The first entry was another thread on EpicSki discussing "what skis do you own" -- from 2001.

Yeah, not much on it at all as I stated in my opener...never found much of anything on it. Well, for sake of discussion, here they are in all their glory...make this the 3rd time they were ever mentioned...biggrin.gif Just for sake of discussion though.


 
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Here's the deal. They figured out how to decouple torsional from longitudinal stiffness.

Try a Volkl Kendo or the already suggested Blizzard.

I hear ya, this happened right as I put my skis away and had my first kid, come back and literally the world has changed.

I do like Blizzard, bought the LOML a pair, not the Bones though.
 
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Right. Which is to say that they WOULD have built that much sidecut into skis long ago if they could have done so effectively. But they couldn't, so they didn't. smile.gif

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I think you would like some old gs race skis or cheater race skis, some with around a 23 m radius. Probably not the Fischers and not the Atomics, maybe Rossi or Volkl or Dynastar. Can't say about K2.

Here is a site that is worth the subscription fee. Realskiers.com ; they have reviews for a lot of skis going back a few years.

I'll check out the site, I do like to gather intel.

I want to say I'm comfortable with used, possibly going back to 2012, maybe 2011. Looking at hopefully a good closeout of the 2013's but seems even the 2012's are a great year....definitely over 1998. wink.gif


I have been looking at the:

Atomic Ritual or Nomad
Blizzard Bonafide
Rossignol Pursuit HP
Volkl Mantra or Kendo, Mantra may be more what I'm after between the two.

Those are just ideas and will give them a look this weekend.

I do appreciate all the input. beercheer.gif

 

Well, I was about to say that my 2002 Volkl, P50 F1 (gs skis) are almost soft enough for moguls, and that I have skied them everywhere in all conditions and find them pretty forgiving with the stock 1-2 tune, but I guess, considering the 2nd quote above, I needn't bother.   There are much better all-mountain skis available today.  Plus my reference for forgiving is a SG racing ski, not an old K2.   Still most of the "all mountain" skis leave a lot to be desired when you spend most of your time on hard pack. 
Main reason for posting is to remind you that with the extra shape of todays skis, you have to keep them on edge.  A good 165 cm length ski will be stable up to ridiculous speeds (way beyond what a good 205 SL ski used to be stable at), if and only if you keep them on edge.  If you don't tell them where to go they become very wobbly.

 

 

post #32 of 38
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You missed the weight part. :)  6'0, 195 lbs.

 

Yeah, that's about right. I would like something I can take from the groomed and hit a few bumps, not a mogul field but some crud then some fast runs.

 

East coast skiing isn't as demanding but I like to push the skis a little hard. I keep coming back to the Blizzard Bonafide or the Volkl Mantra. I haven't demoed these skis but I hear they like to be worked..just heresay so far.

 

Something is luring me to the Rossi Pursuit HP, I like the 81mm under foot compared to the 98 of the other two. I want to speculate the Pursuit will be quicker edge to edge but that's not the whole story.

 

Those are the 3 I have narrowed down so far and would love to try all 3.

 

Eascoast, 80% groomers...195 lbs: 

2013 Dynastar Speed Course ti: I always come back to those... They are my reference( I know where there are still some for sale...). A detuned gs ski with nice versatility

 

Then there is the all mountain carvers ( in order according to their ability to carve):

Elan 88 XTI: for me, the best carver of this bunch but not as good as the others outside the groomed

Salomon Enduro 850 XT: nice all mountain carver skis

Kastle mx88: same as above...plus best snow feel

Instead of the Bonafide: Brahma (88 mm)...or the Letigo (77mm) of next year. 

Nordica Steadfast: the lightest of the bunch... but also the stiffest I think...

Kendo (88mm) instead of the Mantra: same as the line above...

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Another vote for the Kendo (probably in 177) over the Mantra for East Coast, unless you're mostly at bigger resorts where you can let the Mantra run. The Kendo is great in up to a foot or so of fresh, even in pouring rain. 

post #34 of 38
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You missed the weight part. :)  6'0, 195 lbs.

 

Yeah, that's about right. I would like something I can take from the groomed and hit a few bumps, not a mogul field but some crud then some fast runs.

 

East coast skiing isn't as demanding but I like to push the skis a little hard. I keep coming back to the Blizzard Bonafide or the Volkl Mantra. I haven't demoed these skis but I hear they like to be worked..just heresay so far.

 

Something is luring me to the Rossi Pursuit HP, I like the 81mm under foot compared to the 98 of the other two. I want to speculate the Pursuit will be quicker edge to edge but that's not the whole story.

 

Those are the 3 I have narrowed down so far and would love to try all 3.

 

Kendo is 90. You might also like the Head Titan if you're looking at around 80-81.

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Kendo is 90. You might also like the Head Titan if you're looking at around 80-81.

Not necessarily looking at 80-81, was thinking 98 is getting slightly wide, which had me leaning towards the Pursuit.
post #36 of 38
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Kendo is 90. You might also like the Head Titan if you're looking at around 80-81.

Not necessarily looking at 80-81, was thinking 98 is getting slightly wide, which had me leaning towards the Pursuit.

Right. You do not want a c. 100mm ski for an east coast daily driver. Way too wide for the usual suspect conditions. Something in the 75 - 85 range is good, with the specific choice depending on personal preference and how much you're skiing groomed runs vs. not. Mogsie named some good ones. I am much smaller than you, so what I like might not be best for you.
post #37 of 38

for a person coming from straight skis, i would agree to start first with volkls.  put Mantra or kendo first for your demo list

post #38 of 38
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Not necessarily looking at 80-81, was thinking 98 is getting slightly wide, which had me leaning towards the Pursuit.

 

You have a pretty good idea with those. The Pursuit 82HP is fairly stiff and has limited rocker (as in almost none). You're also right in that the 98ish skis are more than slightly wide for what you are asking. The Pursuit 82HP is heavier, has better grip and vastly better dampening than the Kendo (or most other 88's) and is also much more stable. All this does not mean it's a better ski, it's just designed for different things and closer to what you will probably appreciate especially given what you are coming off of. 

 

SJ

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