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post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by fisch2332 View Post
 

Both 2015 and 2016 Brahmas are 125-88-110.. The only thing that has changed is the updated graphic (white bull and writing instead of green).  Perhaps the change in color made the ski look wider.  Also, maybe the other skier was heavier, so the ski didn't float as well.

 

Also, they may have had different bindings, with different weights.

post #32 of 52
I don't know what speeds SJ is skiing at but I do know he's a better skier than me with his racing background. I ski my kendos on absolute high-speed groomers I am usually one of the faster ones on the hill. My 177 kendo delivers at all the speed I can give it with no tip deflection. Rock solid at speed and versatility . Might be in the tune Jim.biggrin.gif
Edited by levy1 - 1/5/16 at 10:10am
post #33 of 52
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post

I don't know what speeds SJ is skiing at but I do know he's a better skier than me with his racing background. I ski my kendos on absolute high-speed groomers I am usually one of the faster ones on the hill. My 177 kendo delivers at all the speed I can give it with no tip deflection. Rock solid at speed and versatility . Must be your tuning Department Jim.biggrin.gif


Yep, I was on my 6y/o Kendo's this past weekend, over 160 day's on them, skiing the first few early runs with the guy's we consider fast, I've been clocked at the upper 50's mph. The skis were great. On Friday I was ski with a 30y/o Masters Racer, well,  best I could.

 

The Kendo is a ski that is good any where on the mt. It comes down to personal feel of the ski. Lot's of great skis out there.

 

I have a friend of a friend who loves his Brahma's we ski a lot al like. Can't go wrong with either ski.

post #34 of 52
I also have the full camber or very little early rise older ugly model maybe that's a difference.
post #35 of 52
Wait I take it back I did not mean to call you ugly honey my mistake I love you
post #36 of 52

It's not so much the ugly thing, its more the calling me "honey" that has me worried...;)

 

LOL

 

So, what, you don't like the football looking thing on top of one of the skis ?

post #37 of 52
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Originally Posted by coolhand View Post

 

Here are a couple of more options:

 

Kastle MX88 - best ski ever made for this purpose, nuff said.

 

Elan Amphibio 88XTi - nearly the equal to the MX88 at half the price.

Totally agree if you want an 88 waist ski.  I have had my Elan Amphibio 88xti for two seasons (starting season 3??) and I love those skis.  Super rippable with great edge hold.  Purchased on a seasons end sale for a smokin price.

post #38 of 52
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

It's not so much the ugly thing, its more the calling me "honey" that has me worried...wink.gif

LOL

So, what, you don't like the football looking thing on top of one of the skis ?
I don't know man looks like a dragon to me but I'm pretty old so that might be the problem
post #39 of 52

Ok first thing first, you seem to priorize the ripper part and the edge hold...but don't want to go below 80 mm... So you have to assume that you won't be able to really experience a real ripper with cement edge hold, even if there are some really nice skis in the 80 mm+...Of course, you would loose some versatility but everything is a trade...

 

Real ripper with super nice edge grip that still have some versatility:

  • Fischer RC4 WC RC
  • Volkl Racetiger Speedwall GS UVO ( I have 1 in 175 for sale if interested)... perhaps the most versatile of the bunch...
  • Stockli Laser SX
  • Blizzard R-Power

Their versatility usually come from a tip with softer flex... and their edgehold from a stiff tail...

 

Best ripper I skied in the 80 mm width:

  • The only ski I still own and didn't sell yet is my Blizzard Magnum 8.5 Ti because of their edgehold and carving capabilities on firm hardpack ( and really nice at high speed) while still behing nice in bumps and trees ( for me at least). It stopped in 2014 but there is still some on the net...
  • The Volkl RTM 81 is the ski in this group that has the strongest edgehold and it could rip...but I prefer skis with (more) camber
  • The Elan Amphibio 88 XT is the one I would call the most playfull carver of this bunch! Decent edgehold but didn't really liked them in bumps; felt too foward. If you could have them flat, I would suggest backing bindings maybe 5 mm...
  • The Motive 86 is also a really nice carver...Easy to bent and light, they can still rip but as you pick up speed, you will feel it... The other side of this is the lightness and quickness of the skis in bumps... good edgehold...
  • Brahma: feel similar to the Magnum but one notch down as a ripper and for edgehold but 0.5 notch for versatility...
  • Kendo: skied only the non-rocker version: could rip but felt harsh on my knees but one of the best with the Motive 86 for bumps...
post #40 of 52

You want a ripper with terrific edge grip and 80+mm waist?  Nordica Fire Arrow 84 EDT

post #41 of 52
And a Head Titan at 80mm should qualify.
post #42 of 52

Or have a look at the Salomon X-Drive 8.8.

post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by SkiSafe View Post
 

 

Im 6'3,185 Like to ski fast. This ski would be used for Jackson Hole when there is no new snow for a few days, deep bumps, crud/chunder, chicken heads and ice and all that good stuff. Also I would like outstanding edge grip for maching down groomers back to the lift. I have never owned a ski with remarkable edge grip, and would like this ski to change that. Hopefully this isnt to much to ask for in a 88mm waist ski. It will not see powder, it will not see anything over an inch of snow, so I dont need it to be that versatile. Just versatile in low snow conditions. Really think the 180 Brahma is the ticket, but would like to hear other suggestions or what ya'll think. 

Thanks Epic. 

 

Latigo and MX83 are worth a demo.  MX83 will have more grip on hard pack and a higher top end, but a little less playful overall for bumps.

85 to 90 skis are excellent crossovers for packed to soft fresh groomers or light fresh on top of groomed.  If it's a low snow period spent on groomers, narrower is better.  Think east coast ski for when the west sucks. :)

post #44 of 52
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Originally Posted by LeoNZ View Post

Very interesting. Well I would say you did well as I picked the Monster 88 as the better ski - just thought my skills weren't quite up to it.

Funny, that's what I think of the mx88. Not forgiving enough for me in bumps and trees. The monster is. For me, the monster has much of the kastle mx88 stability, grip and feel, and more forgiving because of small amounts of rocker.
post #45 of 52

Funny how this thread started in Feb 2014 and is still active...Just saying. ;)

post #46 of 52
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

Ok first thing first, you seem to priorize the ripper part and the edge hold...but don't want to go below 80 mm... So you have to assume that you won't be able to really experience a real ripper with cement edge hold, even if there are some really nice skis in the 80 mm+...Of course, you would loose some versatility but everything is a trade...

 

Real ripper with super nice edge grip that still have some versatility:

  • Fischer RC4 WC RC
  • Volkl Racetiger Speedwall GS UVO ( I have 1 in 175 for sale if interested)... perhaps the most versatile of the bunch...
  • Stockli Laser SX
  • Blizzard R-Power

Their versatility usually come from a tip with softer flex... and their edgehold from a stiff tail...

 

Best ripper I skied in the 80 mm width:

  • The only ski I still own and didn't sell yet is my Blizzard Magnum 8.5 Ti because of their edgehold and carving capabilities on firm hardpack ( and really nice at high speed) while still behing nice in bumps and trees ( for me at least). It stopped in 2014 but there is still some on the net...
  • The Volkl RTM 81 is the ski in this group that has the strongest edgehold and it could rip...but I prefer skis with (more) camber
  • The Elan Amphibio 88 XT is the one I would call the most playfull carver of this bunch! Decent edgehold but didn't really liked them in bumps; felt too foward. If you could have them flat, I would suggest backing bindings maybe 5 mm...
  • The Motive 86 is also a really nice carver...Easy to bent and light, they can still rip but as you pick up speed, you will feel it... The other side of this is the lightness and quickness of the skis in bumps... good edgehold...
  • Brahma: feel similar to the Magnum but one notch down as a ripper and for edgehold but 0.5 notch for versatility...
  • Kendo: skied only the non-rocker version: could rip but felt harsh on my knees but one of the best with the Motive 86 for bumps...

 

 

  This man has been on alot of skis

 

Kyle

post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
 

Funny how this thread started in Feb 2014 and is still active...Just saying. ;)

Fuck! You're right! It was restarted in october and then 3 days ago by mistake I guess! When season is so-so, here at Epic, we have to occupy ourselves! :D

post #48 of 52
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post

Ok first thing first, you seem to priorize the ripper part and the edge hold...but don't want to go below 80 mm... So you have to assume that you won't be able to really experience a real ripper with cement edge hold, even if there are some really nice skis in the 80 mm+...Of course, you would loose some versatility but everything is a trade...

Real ripper with super nice edge grip that still have some versatility:
  • Fischer RC4 WC RC
  • Volkl Racetiger Speedwall GS UVO ( I have 1 in 175 for sale if interested)... perhaps the most versatile of the bunch...
  • Stockli Laser SX
  • Blizzard R-Power
Their versatility usually come from a tip with softer flex... and their edgehold from a stiff tail...

Best ripper I skied in the 80 mm width:
  • The only ski I still own and didn't sell yet is my Blizzard Magnum 8.5 Ti because of their edgehold and carving capabilities on firm hardpack ( and really nice at high speed) while still behing nice in bumps and trees ( for me at least). It stopped in 2014 but there is still some on the net...
  • The Volkl RTM 81 is the ski in this group that has the strongest edgehold and it could rip...but I prefer skis with (more) camber
  • The Elan Amphibio 88 XT is the one I would call the most playfull carver of this bunch! Decent edgehold but didn't really liked them in bumps; felt too foward. If you could have them flat, I would suggest backing bindings maybe 5 mm...
  • The Motive 86 is also a really nice carver...Easy to bent and light, they can still rip but as you pick up speed, you will feel it... The other side of this is the lightness and quickness of the skis in bumps... good edgehold...
  • Brahma: feel similar to the Magnum but one notch down as a ripper and for edgehold but 0.5 notch for versatility...
  • Kendo: skied only the non-rocker version: could rip but felt harsh on my knees but one of the best with the Motive 86 for bumps...

Where did your vocal GS 175 beer league Ski fit in this group
post #49 of 52
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post


Where did your vocal GS 175 beer league Ski fit in this group

They are the second dot on the list...

post #50 of 52

Mogsie, you call that a review? Come on, the ski has to be more exciting that a little one liner! Its a Volkl! That's all the inspiration it gave you? I just might have to switch brands if that's all the new Volkls, (my all time favorites) can do for a very good skier. Well, I will be back from LA next week and I am going to jump on my new Progressor 900. Maybe a brand change is in order. I sure hope not as one poster said, I bleed Volkl. I will also be skiing my new Volkl Code L which has been trashed on these forums. 

post #51 of 52
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post
 

Mogsie, you call that a review? Come on, the ski has to be more exciting that a little one liner! Its a Volkl! That's all the inspiration it gave you? I just might have to switch brands if that's all the new Volkls, (my all time favorites) can do for a very good skier. Well, I will be back from LA next week and I am going to jump on my new Progressor 900. Maybe a brand change is in order. I sure hope not as one poster said, I bleed Volkl. I will also be skiing my new Volkl Code L which has been trashed on these forums. 

You know that I have (kind of ) a life outside Epicski? If I were to do a review on all the skis I tried...

 

Maybe you could read the PM I've sent you last night and also the description of the skis in the selling thread...

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/144730/fs-2015-volkl-racetiger-gs-speedwall-uvo-175-cm-marker-rmotion-16-0-d-race

post #52 of 52
Great write-up thank you I always value your opinion
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