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post #1 of 12
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I know I have too many skis ... but I have noticed lately that the majority of my skis have a very rigid or rigid enough flex  ... It is the way I usually like it ...
Last week end , skiing in Sutton  ( the mountain was like a field of very close hard bumps covered with a little new snow ), I was gutted after having skied  half a day on my Mantra (184 cm). I then went to get my Outland 87 (178 cm) and I was able to continue skiing until closing without problem! So I realized that there were benefits to ski softer skis.
The fact that the Outland are also quite heavy is also an advantage for me in the sense that the skis are less likely to deviate in bumps and crud than say the fx84 ( 2013;183cm) that are lighter ... But again , I tend not to ski often on these skis when I ski more nearby in more hard snow conditions and where I find that the outland are not famous for carving or holding edge on icy groomed ...
 So I want a ski that will combine the two : soft , not too light but with a better ability to carve and keep an edge on icy surface for skiing moguls, glades and slopes ... Width ? 80 to 100 mm ? Me: 210 pounds , 6 feet advanced skier , northeast ( Quebec ) . Suggestions ? RTM ? Magnum ? Longer Outland 87  ? Sick day ? Motive ? Prophet? New fx 2014 ( heavier ) ? In what width and length ?

 

On your marks! Get set! Go!

post #2 of 12
Cuz u don't have enough skis already😜
post #3 of 12
Hi Mogsie

How about Head Rock n Rolls? They appear to fit your requirements and are between 93-95mm under foot depending on length. Those that have tried seem to have good experiences (me included). There's a separate, current, thread on feedback on them.

Cheers

Aled
post #4 of 12
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Hi Mogsie

How about Head Rock n Rolls? They appear to fit your requirements and are between 93-95mm under foot depending on length. Those that have tried seem to have good experiences (me included). There's a separate, current, thread on feedback on them.

Cheers

Aled

Hi WelshCH!

You're right, these skis received a lot of positive reviews...I'll try to find the thread...

post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 

But at the same time, itmay be good but like Lenny said: Rock and roll is dead... they are gone...

post #6 of 12

I agree with your point.  A bit of compliant flex is a good thing.  It allows a ski to do what it's supposed to do.  Of course, in comparison with a 184cm Mantra your only option in that space is a softer ski.

 

My mind is wandering in the direction of the old, discontinued Nordica Enforcer (as it is wont to do), and Kastle's FX94, and ... Jeez!  Between 80 - 100mm the options just go on and on.  Low-80s, high-80s, the class of 88, the low-to-mid-90s, the class of 98, camber, early rise, rocker, twin tips, flattish tails, metal layers ... I think my mind just blew a fuse.

 

I own the Mojo 94 in that space.  It's a very good ski, although a little uninspiring on piste.  The Mojos evolved into the John 94, the Johnny 94 and then the Rock and Roll, I believe.  For the RnR Head introduced some low rise rocker in the tip and tail and (I believe) removed the metal from the layup, both of which which would change it noticeably.  Worth a demo, if only to check out the topsheets.

 

Best of luck finding your ski.

post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

I always tought the enforcer was stiff?

post #8 of 12

Take a look at VIST or some of the other Blossom built skis. My Vist X-Frees are great skis hold an edge very well, but they are also quite soft. They're probably 5 years old now, so not sure if they still make the same exact ski or not.

post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

I always tought the enforcer was stiff?

 

I recall it as being stiffer than the Outland (I've tried both, but a year apart) and with a different flex profile, but not as stiff as the Mantra.  I was going to list a few skis, getting softer as we went, but my mind caved in pretty much straight away. 80-100mm is a pretty wide brief.

 

If I can be so bold as to quote Sierra Jim from another thread where he references the stiffness of different skis -

 

"  There are some close calls in your pecking order but here's how I'd put it........

 

Railroad Tie > Mantra > Cham 97 > Experience 98 > Bonafide > Enforcer > BMX 98 > Prophet 98 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rossi S3.  "

 

[edit - of course it depends on the vintage of the skis - early versions of the Enforcer were more stiff in the tail]

 

As ever, the trick is to get it to flex and grip.  It's a big ask.


Edited by sinbad7 - 2/19/14 at 7:34pm
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by sinbad7 View Post
 

 

I recall it as being stiffer than the Outland (I've tried both, but a year apart) and with a different flex profile, but not as stiff as the Mantra.  I was going to list a few skis, getting softer as we went, but my mind caved in pretty much straight away. 80-100mm is a pretty wide brief.

 

If I can be so bold as to quote Sierra Jim from another thread where he references the stiffness of different skis -

 

"  There are some close calls in your pecking order but here's how I'd put it........

 

Railroad Tie > Mantra > Cham 97 > Experience 98 > Bonafide > Enforcer > BMX 98 > Prophet 98 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rossi S3.  " Which thread is it?

 

[edit - of course it depends on the vintage of the skis - early versions of the Enforcer were more stiff in the tail]

 

As ever, the trick is to get it to flex and grip.  It's a big ask. I know...

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post #12 of 12
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I'm presently leaning toward Line sick day 95 in 184 , fx94 in 176 or 186, mx83 in 183 or stockli storm rider 95 in 183... How do you choose between all those very good skis without having the possibility to demo???

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