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Hestra Heli or BD Guide?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

I searched and read lots of posts here on various gloves. I'm mostly a VT skier and looking for new gloves. Based on lots of great reviews I'm leaning towards the Hestra Heli 3 finger or the Black Diamond Guide 3 finger. I found the Hestra in VT and they looked very nice. Not being primaloft are they as warm as the BD Guide? I know you can get primaloft liners.

 

Not sure which is better. I am a size 10 in Hestra but BD's size chart says I'm a M which doesn't seem correct.

 

I'm have Columbia gloves (XL) now that work pretty well for the higher temps but they don't seem to be great for the lower stuff. I usually ski with my kids so it seems like 1/2 the time I'm waiting for one of them to catch up so the activity level isn't as high as it used to be.

 

Any recommendations?

 

Thanks,

Rob

post #2 of 11

Hestra Heli 3 finger is one of the best I've found.  BD's I've also found run small, YMMV.

post #3 of 11

Hestra Heli regular gloves and the 3-finger version are the two worst investments I ever made in ski gear.  The gloves are the XCR version and are suitable only for skiing on a very warm day.  The 3-finger ones are OK down to about 30F but beyond that I have to put a heat pack in them.  My son has used my Hestra Heli gloves and says there is absolutely not comparison with the BD guide gloves.  He also has a pair of all leather Hestra 3-finger Vertical Cuts which he says are quite warm but not as warm as the BD guide gloves.  I also have a pair of older Outdoor Research gloves, think they were called Northback, that are much better than the Hestra gloves.  OR also makes the Highcamp 3-finger which I'm sure is better than the Hestra 3-finger.  But as others have stated, YMMV

post #4 of 11

BD guides are some of the best ski gloves in the world.

 

Get those!

post #5 of 11
I have had the same experience as mtcyclist. The BD guide gloves are excellent. I love them. Extremely durable, gore-tex XCR waterproofing, very warm and I expect will last many years. I cannot say that about any of the Hestras I have owned, although they are very comfortable in the store. BD sizing was normal for me.
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 

BD Guide it is. Still not sure on sizing anyone have thoughts on that? I called the few local dealers and none of them had in stock.

 

Anyone try glove vs lobster?

 

Can you get other liners for them for warmer days or is that not needed?

 

Thanks!

post #7 of 11
I've had my Hestra Heli 3-finger gloves since 2006 and they are my favorites. I've used them on 0-F degree days and they were okay. I like the handcuff system. Note, that they are not as thick as the BD Guides but they worked for me. The leather remains as supple as the day I bought them - but I use the cream once a year. Liked them so much that I gave one to my wife last week.
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

Hestra Heli regular gloves and the 3-finger version are the two worst investments I ever made in ski gear.  The gloves are the XCR version and are suitable only for skiing on a very warm day.  The 3-finger ones are OK down to about 30F but beyond that I have to put a heat pack in them.  My son has used my Hestra Heli gloves and says there is absolutely not comparison with the BD guide gloves.  He also has a pair of all leather Hestra 3-finger Vertical Cuts which he says are quite warm but not as warm as the BD guide gloves.  I also have a pair of older Outdoor Research gloves, think they were called Northback, that are much better than the Hestra gloves.  OR also makes the Highcamp 3-finger which I'm sure is better than the Hestra 3-finger.  But as others have stated, YMMV

 

Wow.  I've had my Hestra Heli gloves (non-XCR version) out on days in Vermont where the mercury was closer to thirty below then it was to zero and my hands were doing ok.  I've since purchased the three-finger version for those "it's not going to get to zero" type of days.  I find the three-finger ones too warm if the temperature is going to be in double-digits positive.

 

And yes, I'm talking about Fahrenheit temps.  Hestra Heli's are the best ski gloves I've found, although I haven't tried the BD guide ones.

 

Apparently YMMV.  I seem to run "warm" as I can comfortably get by with fewer layers than other people can.

post #9 of 11

My experience is similar to mtcyclist and birkelb but not quite as bad usually I can ski in the Hestra heli's but my hands freeze numb walking my dogs(4 GSD's on 2 leashes with Y snaps) or doing forestry. I also wear a mens medium /size9 but  am more comfortable in hestra size 10 ordinarily a large. I have been using BD guides 5 finger for about a year and they are in a different league warmth wise; however my BD guides walked away at a bar function a few weeks ago and with the single digit weather I had to replace them immediately. Most of the online places were out of the BD Guides(BentGate, MooseJaw, BackCountry) So I had to find something else; I ended up ordering 3 pairs of gloves to guarantee getting 1 that would work 1) new Hestra Ergo Heli better shell wool liner way overpriced jury out on them. 2) OutDoor Research Mt Baker mitten indestructable primaloft insulated water/windproof membrane shell and polar fleece mitten liner, incredibly warm(too warm) and comfy fit(my wife took them yesterday to walk the dogs her comment was "these are wonderful" I'll never see them again). 3) OutDoor Research Luminary  Softshell gauntlet Shell gloves windproof water repellant stretch soft shell shell thick polar fleece glove liners, Sunday I walked the dogs in a snow storm blew snow for almost 3 hours and then broke my trail network open(on 70 acres) with an ATV never went in or changed gloves my hands were toasty after being out non stop for almost 7 hours. the best part is the the 2 pairs of OutDoor Research gloves cost less than the 1 pair of Hestra Heli's .

post #10 of 11

I am going to clarify my earlier post regarding the Outdoor Research Mt Baker mittens I bought them on the recommendation of a friend who is a professional wildlife photographer with a studio in Jackson Hole area, he uses only the insulated shell over other gloves and thinner glove liners  so that he can do photos in ultra cold weather use the thin glove or liner for doing the photos and go back into the mitten shell for warmth I did not intend to use the super warm mitten liner. The new Hestra heli gloves come with the same glove retainer as the original ones; (I could never use the retainer because it would cut off blood flow) most of the newer shell and liner systems come with longer retainer straps that you can attach to the sleeves of your shell not wear around your wrist.

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone! I ordered a L and XL BD Guide glove for $127 each. The 3 finger is sold out so that went quick. I wasn't sure what size so I will just return whichever one isn't right.

I wanted to jump on that price since I cannot seem to find a deal like that anywhere and I want to get them before the next trip to VT.

 

I'll let you know how they are when I get them.

 

Rob

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