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post #31 of 57
If Elk is your 2nd choice I'd be all over that. Great hill IMHO.
post #32 of 57
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 Now I'm definitely convinced that skipping season passes and trying other mountains, which you're leaning toward, is the way to go. 

+1. Also, it's just for a year. You can always change your mind again the following year.

 

We never get season passes. I consider Crystal Mt my home mountain but we like to do long weekends and trips at other mountains as well, so it never even comes close to paying off. I do, however, get discount cards or buy blocks of discounted tickets at at least 3 places (Whistler, Crystal Mt and Stevens Pass). The only way I would buy a pass is if I lived AT a mountain and wanted the luxury of just skiing over my lunch hour or something. When I figure out how to split my time between Seattle and Ketchum ID, I'll buy the shockingly expensive Sun Valley pass so that I can do that.

post #33 of 57
Second that on Elk. I will be spittin for the extra 100 only because of the night skiing is much better at Greek. I get up there at least twice a week after work and once on weekend. when I get tired of the same old at Greek I hit Elk or make a trip to VT.
At $400 it's still a bargain I just hope they spend some money on snow making.Seems to me year after year Greek has 3-4 trails open week after week,while Elk is at near 100%.If this trends continuous I will make a switch.
post #34 of 57

If you can afford to go skiing at all you're rich so you can afford an extra $100 a head over the season

 

 

 

.......sorry wrong thread ;)

post #35 of 57

It should be about the skiing.  A season pass = you spend more time skiing.  End of story.

Of course if you are tight for funds economics may have a say in the matter.  Would you ski more than the six days at that resort if you did not have the pass?

post #36 of 57

So what keeps you from buying a pass to a different mountain next year? Seems like that would be voting with your wallet while still keeping the price down.

 

I understand what you are saying. I absolutely love my home mountain, but they are in the midst of doing a lot of improvements that I won't personally see a whole lot of benefit from (adding beginner oriented lifts, replacing fixed lifts with more tourist friendly fast lifts, etc.) the cost of these improvements is driving some petty sharp season pass increases that will continue well into the future. If it was me, I'd rather have the cheaper pass and keep things the same, but I don't get that choice.

post #37 of 57
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post

If Elk is your 2nd choice I'd be all over that. Great hill IMHO.

And this year's Elk early season lift ticket is $760. :mad

 

My thinking is Billy is just tired of Greek Peak. I can't comment on the upgrades done as have not been there in 3 seasons, but, looking at their website, it sure appears skiing takes a back seat to the development of Real Estate. I did ski there with HelluvaSkier, and, the terrain is mild, the lifts slow. It's hard to ski anywhere between Philly and Greek Peak year in and year out. At Blue, people are always talking about going someplace else next season, then rarely depart.

post #38 of 57

Billy-Just as a comparison, the early buy at Bristol last year was about $1300 for the two of us and a locker.An 8 hour ticket this year is $61.00, so we pay for it pretty quickly, especially since my wife retired this year and has a lot more time during the week. Any larger area is at least a 4 hour drive away, so if we want to get in many days, we're skiing at Bristol. Traveling around to other local areas for Masters races reminds me how good the facilities are there considering the geographic location.

 

We'll be at Greek this Sunday for a race-I'll let you know what I think of the new chair and the snow quality.

post #39 of 57
Stay off the new chair and stick to lift1 unless you like stoping a few times
post #40 of 57

What's the issue with the new chair at Greek? I get that it's carpet-loaded, but that seems to work fine for Supreme lift at Alta. I guess stupid could people screw it up, but Vail put a carpet that brings you to the loading line at one of the mid-Vail lifts this year and I didn't notice that stopping a lot either - and there are a lot of beginners at Vail. 

 

PS - I grew up skiing at Greek but haven't been back in almost 20 years. In my mind's eye, it was a really fun hill... I liked night-skiing there a lot. 

post #41 of 57
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Originally Posted by kauffee View Post
 

What's the issue with the new chair at Greek? I get that it's carpet-loaded, but that seems to work fine for Supreme lift at Alta. I guess stupid could people screw it up, but Vail put a carpet that brings you to the loading line at one of the mid-Vail lifts this year and I didn't notice that stopping a lot either - and there are a lot of beginners at Vail. 

 

PS - I grew up skiing at Greek but haven't been back in almost 20 years. In my mind's eye, it was a really fun hill... I liked night-skiing there a lot. 


They had some of those at Bridger Bowl we encountered on our Xmas trip. My Wife couldn't figure it out. My helpful comments were something like "what don't you understand about just f'n stand still." She insisted on shuffling forward and getting screwed up.  These lifts are made for beginners, not 25+ year ski veterans who are also total Type A Control freaks.

post #42 of 57
I believe the problem with the lift is the top ramp.Snow boarders have trouble with pitch and width.Night ski rules the area there IMO
post #43 of 57
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Originally Posted by kauffee View Post

What's the issue with the new chair at Greek? I get that it's carpet-loaded, but that seems to work fine for Supreme lift at Alta. I guess stupid could people screw it up, but Vail put a carpet that brings you to the loading line at one of the mid-Vail lifts this year and I didn't notice that stopping a lot either - and there are a lot of beginners at Vail. 



 



PS - I grew up skiing at Greek but haven't been back in almost 20 years. In my mind's eye, it was a really fun hill... I liked night-skiing there a lot. 


 



What I have heard from the owner of a local shop is they put the chairs too close together. NYS regulates time between chairs (you can find the regs online). If they want to run it faster they need to remove some chairs. Seems like someone would have known that.

As it is now, at the fastest it runs, it's still slower than the old double right next to it. And to make things worst it stops a ton (mostly due to the steepish short exit ramp as mentioned above). So what they touted as a "high speed" quad runs slower and stops more - so the ultimate ride time to the top is very long.

Management hasn't addressed how they might fix the problems. They've also gone pretty silent on future improvements...so while we sit here looking at a 33% increase in pass pricing, we don't know if we're getting anything back for it (or if that's where they need to be just to operate BAU).

Yes, we could do season passes elsewhere. But after talking to most of my skiing friends (and their families) I think many of us are leaning toward a year without a pass as Joe UT suggests...one year can't hurt. We'll get a wider variety of skiing in - and that can't be a bad thing.
post #44 of 57
Maybe you should all sign a letter and tell them you no longer need them at that price and look forward to the opportunity to explore the other areas.
post #45 of 57
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I know without a pass, there are days when I expect the skiing to be marginal that I wouldn't go. But then I would have missed a lot of great days that I wasn't expecting at all. I'm willing to drive up and take a risk that doesn't involve money.

 

For me the gas is the single biggest expense so that doesn't work. Besides, I haven't had a "bad" day on skis in so long I can't remember.

post #46 of 57

From reading this thread I think the OP should definitely skip a pass to Greek Peak. Go to other mountains and not even go to Greek Peak next year. Variety is the spice of life. I have never been to Greek Peak, but in looking at the trail map skiing it year after year after year after year would get boring especially when there are reasonably decent places for the region reasonably close. You can always go back. I live in Columbus, OH and was curious about Greek Peak. However, it is pretty far away and with the train-wreck that is the new HS quad chair I definitely won't consider going there.  

post #47 of 57
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Originally Posted by diesel47 View Post
 

 

Theres no need or obligation to support a couple rich businessmen. They didn't do anybody a favor.

 

Its not like they "saved" the resort for everybody to continue skiing out of the goodness in their hearts. :newkeyboard:

 

They got a deal on a ski resort and now they are trying to profit off you.

Someone please post a link to one of those websites that feature pictures of abandoned ski resorts rotting into the ground. Yeah, the owners are hoping to make money. Is that bad? No profits, no skiing. Saving the resort may not be a "favor" but it's sure as hell a blessing.

post #48 of 57
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Originally Posted by slipshod View Post

Someone please post a link to one of those websites that feature pictures of abandoned ski resorts rotting into the ground. Yeah, the owners are hoping to make money. Is that bad? No profits, no skiing. Saving the resort may not be a "favor" but it's sure as hell a blessing.

Because there is nothing in between gouging and out of business.
post #49 of 57
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Originally Posted by slipshod View Post
 

Someone please post a link to one of those websites that feature pictures of abandoned ski resorts rotting into the ground.

 

You can buy a nice poster of the "Colorado's Lost Resorts" here:

http://www.coloradoski.com/lost-resorts-poster

 

post #50 of 57

Memory recalls that about 2 years ago, some posted here about their concerns about Greek Peak remaining open due to impending bankruptcy, plus, it was obvious that mid-season cost reductions were in-effect. Here in Pa., the area formerly known as Montage was in a similar situation, and, like Greek was bought out in bankruptcy. So, now, the ski area closing concerns are diminished, and, replaced with more typical complaints. My home mountain gets similar complaints, and, late season staff and service reductions will start to kick-in very soon as daily traffic begins to slow down. It's a tough business to turn a profit in a 90 plus day ski season. I hope Greek can turn around their issues and make the locals feel better about spending their money at Greek. . Not sure where gouging begins, but, at $400 per season, it seems pretty reasonable to me. I think that looking at ownership as the enemy ultimately dooms the entire Cortland area of a major source of income. Like it or not, we are all in this together. 

post #51 of 57
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

Because there is nothing in between gouging and out of business.

How is raising pass prices "gouging"?

Didn't someone say that prices for another local resort (Elk) were like double the price? $299 sounds awfully cheap; maybe it was just time to bring prices to a more viable level.
post #52 of 57
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Originally Posted by JoeUT View Post

How is raising pass prices "gouging"?

Didn't someone say that prices for another local resort (Elk) were like double the price? $299 sounds awfully cheap; maybe it was just time to bring prices to a more viable level.

I'm not saying it is. I am saying that it is a complete fallacy to say that accepting the price in question is the only thing keeping a place running.
post #53 of 57
It's also a fallacy that anyone suggested that;)
post #54 of 57
Sometimes it takes an external force to realize you're in a rut, and it sounds like that's what's happened here. And now that you've considered not getting passes, all kinds of things are opening up.

I think you have as much obligation to support the ski area as you feel you have. If you think the area's moving in a direction that excludes you, what the heck, you don't owe anyone anything. But I do suggest sending a short letter responding to the increase and telling them your concerns. You never know, their plan might be more family friendly than you assume. Even if it's not, they might do something about your feedback, either by tweaking their priorities or programs, or even creating some discounts that would affect you. It would be nice to know. But the bottom line is what works for your family--that is, how to set yourself up for maximum fun.
post #55 of 57

Raced at Greek yesterday-the new chair seemed to work pretty well with a few stops but not too bad. It's still slow though.................The buzz is the new owners are good folks and are interested in improving the skiing experience. The place has lots of potential, which is what I've thought for years.

 

PS Good race hill also!

post #56 of 57
40 minutes away. Get the passes. You will ski more.
post #57 of 57
I strongly agree with Eagles, I would write a letter. You have a long-standing relationship with that place. It sounds like the hill has given a lot to your family. Even if two businessmen own it, you are what I suppose people now call a "stakeholder." You should put in a little bit of effort into preserving and protecting the future of your local hill, and if that's not buying a season pass then it's good that it's sharing your mind with management. At least you will know you did a good thing. And they may surprise you by either giving you a discount, or by telling you honestly why they raised prices. (From the sound of it, they were genuinely very underpriced before).
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