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High Volume - Wide Alpine Touring (AT) Boot

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

Can anyone recommend some brands/models of AT boot (preferably Dynafit compatible, but not essential) that are relatively wide in the last (D/E fit, so probably 102-104mm last) and quite high volume (I also have a very high arch/instep), but still quite a stiff flex (120-130)?

 

So far the only thing I can think that might be worth pursuing is the Black Diamond Factor 130 or MX...

 

Cheers

post #2 of 23
Hi No_Style

I am interested in the guidance you receive about touring boots as I also have wide feet and a high arch/instep.

Having been through many different ski boots over the years, I've ended up in the most comfortable boots for my 'condition' - Head Adaptedge Ltd, on the widest, 104mm last setting.

For the two touring boots that you mentioned - the Black Diamond Factor 130 and MX - do you know what the last width of these boots are?

Cheers

Aled
post #3 of 23

Take a good look at the Scott Cosmos AT boot. One of the lightest 4 buckle boots on the market. The Cosmos is running a 103+ last with a very square toe box. It is rated at a 125 flex. Hikes amazing and can still push a ski down no problem!  

post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 

I believe the BD is a reasonably narrow-average last ~100mm, but i've read that its one of the highest volume boots available. I'll look into the Scott Cosmos, thanks for that suggestion.

 

Edit: Any idea if Scott/Garmont have addressed the issue with their tech fittings that is raised near the start of this review?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-tW-GY5cKA

 

Edit 2: http://www.wildsnow.com/12148/scott-garmont-cosmos-2-review/

Apparently it has been fixed.


Edited by No_Style - 2/19/14 at 2:47pm
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by No_Style View Post
 

I believe the BD is a reasonably narrow-average last ~100mm, but i've read that its one of the highest volume boots available. I'll look into the Scott Cosmos, thanks for that suggestion.

 

Edit: Any idea if Scott/Garmont have addressed the issue with their tech fittings that is raised near the start of this review?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-tW-GY5cKA

Yes, The only issue with the Garmont was the tech fitting needed to be broken in by cycling the boot in and out of the binding a few time. Bloggers got a hold of the info with out doing the true testing. Scott has changed the tech fitting as well a a few other key up dates to the boot. Check out http://www.wildsnow.com/12148/scott-garmont-cosmos-2-review/    for an updated review 

post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 

No other people out there with strange feet like me that hike their turns or do some side country stuff?

post #7 of 23

Tecnica Cochise 120.  Huge instep, wide forefoot, and reasonably stiff.  Good walk mode a tech fitting and DIN soles available.  Add some Intuitions,and they're money.

 

 

FWIW, I wear EEEE width work boots.

post #8 of 23

This is not a huge AT site. That being said the advise that has been given is from people that have spent years in the back-country and know the product well. If you have specific questions, ask. Not sure what more info you are looking for. 

 

Another boot to look at if you are more interested in the side country aspect of AT. Take a look at the Scott Delirium 130. It is a 130 Flex and has a very wide fore foot. The boot ships with both AT and Alpine sole blocks for easy switching. Very strong descending boot. It still has a ski walk mode and can hike with the best of the slack country boots out there.   

post #9 of 23
The black diamond prime/quadrant boots are high volume and listed as 103mm wide. I have a fairly wide foot and they were too wide for me. I settled on the scarpa maestrale which is not as high volume or wide (I think they are 101 mm wide). Plenty of boot to drive a 100+ wide ski. Not a burly as some of the other boots mentioned, though.

All three boots are great dedicated AT boots and are fairly lightweight.
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 

Thanks all. I was just looking for some other alternative brands as around my area it's hard to find one shop that will carry more than a single brand of AT boot. As a result, you really have to have some idea what you're looking for first, otherwise you end up travelling all over the show only to find there is nothing even worth looking at.

 

I do indeed have my eye on the Delirium, thats a tempting proposition to compare to the Cosmos II. I'll look around for the Technica's as well. I'd like to try the Scarpa's (though they're probably too narrow), however Scarpa's are hard to find anywhere at all on my side of the pond; but I'll keep an eye out.

 

Cheers.

post #11 of 23
It's hard to find one to try on because it's been discontinued, but Scarpa's Mobe is discounted all over the place. It's very high volume (contrary to what you might expect), and has a boot board that can be shaved for even more room. 104mm last, Dynafit compatible, and they come with Intuition liners.

Reviewed on wildsnow.com:
http://www.wildsnow.com/4031/mobe-scarpa-boot-review/
Blister Gear:
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/review-2010-2011-scarpa-mobe-alpine-touring-boot

Also discussed extensively on TGR:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/205458-Scarpa-Mobe-grand-unifying-thread
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/200297-BD-Quadrant-vs-Scarpa-Mobe

Sierra Trading Post and Scarpa.com offer them at a good price, and STP has a generous return policy but I don't know if that goes for Oz.
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the information Bob, I'll read up on the links you provided. Cheers.

post #13 of 23

I haven't skied them but tried on Scarpa Maestrale RS and was surprised that the fit was actually decent for my feet (EEE) at least in the store. Having them buckled for 10 minutes led to some instep pain but they seemed workable, I'll be investigating them as they are a legit AT boot in terms of walk mode, sole and weight while having a reasonably stiff flex.

post #14 of 23
I have a hella high instep and the Maestrale did not work for me because of that. Just sayin'.
post #15 of 23
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I have a hella high instep and the Maestrale did not work for me because of that. Just sayin'.

 

Did you get pain on the outside of your instep (sorry, no idea what anatomical terms I should be using)? I had pain in the shop where the ratchet buckle (third buckle up from bottom) crossed over the foot. Going to fidget around with them again next time I'm in the shop.

post #16 of 23
It was very tight across the top of my instep, and there's no boot board (zeppa) that could be modified to make more room. It was also somewhat uncomfortably tight for me across the metatarsal heads (just proximal to the joints between the metatarsals and phelanges, aka the wide part of the forefoot). I have that high instep that I mentioned, aggravated by bony knots on top from my surfing days.

Since it's a Pebax boot and the instep was tight, I didn't bother trying to punch them out - I just sold them and got Scarpa Mobes which have a higher volume and fit me much better, though they're heavier and don't have that awesome walk mode articulation of the Maestrale. The Maestrale seems to be generally known to have a medium volume fit.
post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 

On a random note, does anyone know what the difference is between the Scott Delirium FR and the Delirium FR TN? One is lighter than the other according to the specs, but otherwise they appear to be identical....Is one the men's boot and the other the women's boot or something?

 

http://www.scott-sports.com/global/en/products/2320651029023/boot-scott-delirium-fr-130-white-blue-280/

http://www.scott-sports.com/global/en/products/2320641029027/boot-scott-delirium-fr-130-tn-white-blue-300/

post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

I have a hella high instep

 

Tecnica Cochise 120.  Read the Blister review.  Marshal's only complaint was that the instep was so high, it took a lot of shimming underneath the liner for him to find the top of the boot.

 

That was the reason I bought the boot. 

post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

I have a hella high instep

Tecnica Cochise 120.  Read the Blister review.  Marshal's only complaint was that the instep was so high, it took a lot of shimming underneath the liner for him to find the top of the boot.

That was the reason I bought the boot. 

Yeah, I read Marshall's review, and I was interested, but the Mobe is a good fit, has an Intuition liner...and was $300 delivered from STP. I like a rockered sole, too.

The Tecnica was on the short list though.
post #20 of 23

Black Diamond Quadrant is wider than the Factor.  I have the model previous to the current one and one problem was that the liner was a weird fit - couldn't get it to work til I pulled out the zipfit from my alpine boot and tried it on with that - then it was sweet. If you are concerned with weight you could put an intuition liner in (if this is still an issue with the new model, or if you get the old one which I've seen cheap). Boot is tech compatible and skis well.

post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by No_Style View Post
 

On a random note, does anyone know what the difference is between the Scott Delirium FR and the Delirium FR TN? One is lighter than the other according to the specs, but otherwise they appear to be identical....Is one the men's boot and the other the women's boot or something?

 

http://www.scott-sports.com/global/en/products/2320651029023/boot-scott-delirium-fr-130-white-blue-280/

http://www.scott-sports.com/global/en/products/2320641029027/boot-scott-delirium-fr-130-tn-white-blue-300/

They are the same boot all together. Originally Scott was going to offer two options of the boot. One with just DIN soles and one with both AT and DIN sole. Scott dropped the DIN only and opted to ship all boots with both the AT and DIN soles.  

post #22 of 23

I'd stay away from the Cosmos. Scotts version of the boot seems like a winner until you put a few (literally only a few) hours on it and it falls apart. Two patrollers I work with have them and both have had nothing but trouble with less than 40hrs on them.

 

1. Ankle hinges exploded. Not only that, at the local shop the tech confused one of them with a third unknown person having the exact same problem. Go out for a walk and lose your canting adjustment hinge. Three people in as many weeks with the same identical failing on the same brand new boot.

 

2. Clasps exploded. The wire spreads and releases on all but the bottom toe clasps. Both boots on both pairs are currently held together with medical tape or they wouldn't stay on a pair of feet.

 

3. Tongue exploded. Both tongues are cracking/ripping at the flex point on both pairs of boots.

 

 

So a nice looking, comfortable & lightweight boot that will leave you stranded on the first, second or maybe third run. Eat the few extra ounces and get something reliable. Their horror show on two separate sets of identical brand new boots, doing light duty walking and skiing, has sold me on never picking up the cosmos. Less than a week in they started having problems and they don't seem to be stopping. Then finding out at the ski shop that others have identical problems? Something smells like garbage too me.

post #23 of 23
Bd factor mx, wide and it skis like an alpine boot.
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