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East Coast Two Ski Quiver building: Rossi Soul 7 and ?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

I'm 37, 5'11" and 175 lbs. I stared skiing a few years ago on Atomic Nomads (171) and too-big Salomon boots.  Been skiing a lot this year (30 days in VT so far) and have gotten much better.  I quickly realized the limits of my Atomics and picked up some Rossi Soul 7s (180) and soon after some Lange RX130 boots -- wow what a difference well-fitted boots make.  Anyway, while I love the Rossis in almost all conditions (even VT hard-pack), just for fun I demoed the Nordica Steadfasts (170) yesterday.  I had thought that a short ski would be fun in the bumps but I realized yesterday that my Rossis are more fun in the bumps but the Nordicas are really fun on hard-pack, which is what we have most in the east.  So now, despite vowing to not buy more skis, I think I want a ski for the more typical east coast conditions.

 

I like to ski the whole mountain, steeps, bumps, charge on wide open groomers, runs down the NASTAR course.  Haven't really spent time in the trees.

 

For a two-ski quiver, what would you add to the Rossi Soul 7s?

 

Thanks for any guidance.

post #2 of 22

For east coast skiing I really love sub-80mm skis. There are just too many days where you're on really hard snow or boilerplate ice. There are lots of good skis in this category... my favorite is the Head Supershape Rally.

 

You'll have quite a gap between a sub-80mm ski and the 106mm Soul 7, but given how versatile the Soul 7 is I think you'll be fine. Plus, this gives you room to add an 88mm ski when you make it a 3-ski quiver :)

post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 

I do still have the Atomics which have a 77mm midsection -- they are just terrible in crud.

post #4 of 22

My two ski quiver for Maine is the Souls and Kastle MX78's.

Of course, I have like 10 more skis that squeeze between those bookends. But those are the last two skis I would be willing to part with. Got the Lange RX's too.

D1

post #5 of 22

Good to hear that you have figured out the most important part of your quiver (boots). A lot of folks never figure that out and throw tons of money at sexy sounding skis while using improper boots.....good on ya for that move.

 

The quiver to cover everything is usually three skis, sorta like this.........(note that width would vary according to region)

 

  1. Mostly soft snow bias.......................................roughly 100-106mm (you have this in your Rossis)
  2. Versatile frontside (mixed snow)........................roughly 85-90mm (you don't have this)
  3. Dedicated Frontside (packed snow bias).........roughly 70-80mm (I don't think you really have this either)

 

A Nomad ski can be lots of different things and while some are pretty darned good on hard snow (Blackeye Ti for ex) some of the lower models are not. Despite the width of your Atomics, I'm guessing that you may have a lower end model and thus not really a good firm snow tool.

 

Don't consider that the # 2-3 categories are the same because they aren't.  Also remember that even within a category, you'll find variations. The Steadfast for instance is a really good hard snow ski (for cat #2) but pretty high energy and a little stiff in the tail for bumps given mid-level skiing ability. For a stronger, more accomplished skier, the SF is very good but maybe not what you need right now. OTH, a K2 Rictor 90 or Head Rev 90 or 85 would be much more likely to serve you well in that category. I suspect that you'll want to figure out which of these categories you want to go for and then start looking at choices.

 

SJ

post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks, SJ -- very much appreciate this break-down.  What about size?  Should I be skiing approximately the same size in all skis or should I pick what I like/enjoy more size-wise?  At 5'11", 175 lbs, is a 170 too small of a ski for me?

post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 

any thoughts on how the Blizzard Brahma would fit with my Rossis (and proclivities)?

post #8 of 22

Among the skis that I tossed out there in the category #2 (arbitrary name btw) the Brahma is stiffer and a little more demanding. It's better on hard snow than the ones I mentioned but not as easy going in the bumpzzzz. Although the Brahma is my personal fave of the versatile frontsiders at this time, (in fact, there's one in the back of my car right now) I'm not sure it's much better than the Steadfast for what you want.

 

If you decide that the category #2 is what you want, the Brahma in 173 would not be a bad call but perhaps not quite as easygoing for you which it seems is what you need right now.

 

SJ

post #9 of 22

Similar height and weight to you.  My two ski east coast quiver is the 180 Soul7's and Blizzard Magnum 8.0 CA 172's.

 

The Magnums aren't the stiffest hard snow ski, but fine for hard snow and versatile enough for other things as they have no metal in them.  They are 80 underfoot.

post #10 of 22

So do you want the skinner ski to accel at Hardpack groomers? or hardpack bumps/groomers various other things. 

post #11 of 22

MX83 end of discussion.

post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
 

Among the skis that I tossed out there in the category #2 (arbitrary name btw) the Brahma is stiffer and a little more demanding. It's better on hard snow than the ones I mentioned but not as easy going in the bumpzzzz. Although the Brahma is my personal fave of the versatile frontsiders at this time, (in fact, there's one in the back of my car right now) I'm not sure it's much better than the Steadfast for what you want.

 

If you decide that the category #2 is what you want, the Brahma in 173 would not be a bad call but perhaps not quite as easygoing for you which it seems is what you need right now.

 

SJ

Which is an easier going ski? Steadfast or Brahma?  Any idea where a Mag 8.5ti would fit in there? Reason I ask is I also have the Soul 7 at one end, MX78 at the other. Currently on the Mag 8.5 in a 174, but always second guessing that ski. Feels a little short on cruddy leftover days. Could be purely lack of technique, but always looking for the next best ski.

post #13 of 22

Mag 8.5 ti IMO was hard to say balance on in 3d terrain and really not any better at fast carving on groomer than the 180cm Brahma. I really do not get the 8.5 ti to much rocker for a frontsidish carver and was not really any better at anything than either the Brahma or the Mx83 both of which I own, but if it was me for what I was would do the Brahma would get the nod over the Mx83, 

post #14 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks again, SJ.  I think that the Souls will be my primary soft snow and soft bump ski.  For the rest of the time, I think my primary goal is to get something that will help me hold an edge at speed on hardpack and also deal with the crud in the afternoon in VT.  I think I will be in the bumps some on non-snow days but not as much as on groomed trails.  So with that 80/20 groomer/bump ratio, do you think the Brahma is a good fit?  I didn't mention in my OP that I really really loved the Steadfasts at speed.  From what I have read, the Brahmas might be just that much better for that 20% of time in the bumps without giving up too much on the groomers.  Do people agree with that?

 

And as for size, at 5'11" and 175 lbs, I was thinking 180.  Is that wrong?

 

Thanks very much again


Edited by El Bishop - 2/19/14 at 6:29am
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

So do you want the skinner ski to accel at Hardpack groomers? or hardpack bumps/groomers various other things. 

 

This ^^^ is the pertinent question. Same as I asked in post #5...........what do you want the ski to do? (Cat #2 and Cat #3 suggest different things)

 

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Originally Posted by epic View Post
 

MX83 end of discussion.

 

No!..................This fellow is struggling with a Steadfast and you want him to buy an MX 83?..................great ski for you, poor choice for him.

 

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Originally Posted by El Bishop View Post
 

Thanks again, SJ.  I think that the Souls will be my primary soft snow and soft bump ski.  For the rest of the time, I think my primary goal is to get something that will help me hold an edge at speed on hardpack and also deal with the crud in the afternoon in VT.  I think I will be in the bumps some on non-snow days but not as much as on groomed trails.  So with that 80/20 groomer/bump ratio, do you think the Brahma is a good fit?  I didn't mention in my OP that I really really loved the Steadfasts at speed.  From what I have read, the Brahmas might be just that much better for that 20% of time in the bumps without giving up too much on the groomers.  Do people agree with that?

 

And as for size, at 5'11" and 175 lbs, I was thinking 180.  Is that wrong?

 

Thanks very much again

 

The Brahma is a great ski. However, if you are struggling in the bumps with a Steadfast 170, the Brahma in 180 is not the best idea. I think your limiting factor here in bumps is ability. Buying a longer ski will not help you with this. If you want a ski that will suit your abilities better, buy the Head Rev 85 170 or maybe 177. The Rev 85 will grip better than what you have, be better in the skied off sugargoo at the trail edges than what you have, and have 90% of the top end capabilities of the Brahma. If you decide that you want a Brahma, buy the 173.

 

SJ

post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks -- I don't think I was struggling in the bumps on the steadfasts -- I just didn't enjoy the ski as much as my Souls (180).  I also think I was very tired after several days of bump skiing all day.  But as stated, I am fairly new, so perhaps the simple fact that I didn't enjoy the steadfasts as much as the Souls indicates that I was struggling with the steadfasts.

 

Full disclosure:  I have a chance for a great deal on Brahmas at 180.  I know it's not optimal to buy without demoing but I think the ski is pretty well liked so why shouldn't I like it.  But a bigger issue is really getting the wrong size.  If you thought I was a "stronger skier," would you recommend the 180s based on my size or still the 173?

 

I am very much obliged for your willingness to help me with this.

post #17 of 22

By any measure, a good 90mm ski especially in a 170 should be better in the bumps, especially eastern bumps than a good 106. A a soft 106mm/180cm like the Soul (very nice ski BTW but soft snow biased for sure) should be easy going, flexy, but cumbersome and sluggish compared to the narrower, quicker, grippier ski. If you liked the Soul better in eastern bumps, I can only conclude that the stiff torsion and firm tail of the SF is simply too much for your current ability (it is a reasonably demanding ski and very high energy)

 

Now......if you think that you didn't like the SF as much because you were knackered from several days of skiing, that suggests a different story but again, the fact that the 170 was more than you could handle seems like a red flag to me. So........if you were in our store where we sell 12 brands and close to 100 models of skis, I'd recommend the ones that I already have. Nevertheless the Brahma is an absolutely great ski and mine is a 180 (same as my Bonafide) I'm 5-10" level 8 skier, former instructor/coach and 40+ years in the ski biz. (caveat being I'm way outta shape @ 220# and 64 y/o). If you were in the store and said what you have, and that wanted the Brahma, I'd suggest the 173. One of our sales guys is about 30 y/o 170lbs, lived in the mountains for years and his choice is the 173. I'm guessing that he's a stronger skier than you are.

 

At this point in the season, you could buy a Head Rev 85 for ~~ $625-$650 incl bindings. That's a pretty good deal for a ski that may well be a better choice for you at this point. I never suggest that one let the deal override reality..............but that's just me.

 

SJ

post #18 of 22

What SJ said about the Steadfasts.  It's my daily driver and has been for the past two seasons.  I ski it everywhere on the mountain, even in powder over 20".  One of the things I really like about it is that I can't be sloppy with it.  If my balance gets off, especially in the bumps, the ski will let me know right away and it isn't usually a subtle reminder.  So, if you were really tired that may have changed your fore-aft balance.  You should try them again when you aren't tired.  Then you will know the answer.

post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
 

At this point in the season, you could buy a Head Rev 85 for ~~ $625-$650 incl bindings. That's a pretty good deal for a ski that may well be a better choice for you at this point. I never suggest that one let the deal override reality..............but that's just me.

 

 

+1 on this. I think the Rev 85 satisfies all your requirements.

 

I skied 172 Soul 7 and 173 Brahma on the same day at the end of last season on (typical crappy) eastern bumps (5'5", 165, level 8) and I had an easier time on the Soul 7 than the Brahma. The easier flex of the Soul 7 more than compensated for its additional width. When I made a mistake on the Brahma it was harder to recover. 

post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
 

 

No!..................This fellow is struggling with a Steadfast and you want him to buy an MX 83?..................great ski for you, poor choice for him.

 

 

I didn't read the OP as struggling in the bumps I read it as likes the Soul7 better in the bumps. Maybe I missed something.

post #21 of 22

I ski in Maine and have Blizzard Supersonics for fast groomers in the mornings, and switch to Rossi S3's for the afternoon crud or ungroomed trails.

post #22 of 22

The Volkl Codes are nice frontside carvers.  Slight tip rocker to ease into the turn and get you through light crud.  Hold and edge on Eastcoast hardpack very well.

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