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post #61 of 87
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They weren't enough plank for me as they get pushed around in heavy corn at higher speeds. SO THEY GOT SOLD!
Presently running the Patrons and Cyclics at full length. Both are 115s at this size.
I would recommend the Cyclics in a shorter length, they hold better on firm than the Nordicas, and have far less tip flapping. The Patrons have no metal to help you on ice.
Here's my solution.

post #62 of 87
Is that like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde?
post #63 of 87

Compare the Patron and Cyclic, sure.

 

Head builds damp skis firstly, the Cyclic is damper than the Patron, both in feel and how the tips "vibrate". I would say the Patron tips "flap" and the Cyclic really doesn't do more than slightly "buzz". Visually I find the Patron flapping more of a distraction, but on flat run-outs it could "wander" more and possibly hook.

 

Cyclics have a tapered tail from the waist which makes it very quick for its size and works well on the uphill outside edge, but still had plenty of float. They also handled bottomless pow bumps this past Monday at Vail.

 

My Patrons have Schizos on them and at present I'm running at the recommended mount point oddly enough. My obSETheds were mounted further forward.

 

The Cyclics are mounted with Head Mojos at the recommended line which seems fine. I think it is more for a modern ski style mount point as it goes switch with little effort. I can live with the factory line, but the square tip makes the ski look short even thought it is not.

I would consider moving it back one or two tick marks, a 1/2 or 1 cm back from " R".

 

The Cyclic appears to have a slightly longer contact length as well, which is probably why it requires a bit more input at lesser speeds, but also translate to better egde grab.

 

Both ski powder well and in trees give you the confidence to keep charging.

 

I love Head, so it must be a sheet metal thang. Hey, Helldarados they got it, Patrons don't, same blank.

 

Both will travel to Utah for a true test comparison as some cat, heli and resort skiing are in order.

 

I'll do the Patrons in the cat and heli skiing and the Cyclics for all other variable conditions at the resorts.

 

post #64 of 87
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Here's my solution.

 

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Here's my solution.

Which did you ski first? You must be happy! Do you like my flip-flops, they match?
 
post #65 of 87
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Haven't skied teh Helldo's yet. I have no complaints about the Patrons at all. Just figured I'd try these. Hoping for them to be a little better at destroying crud.

post #66 of 87

Not so big in a 191 with the tip and tail sawed off. Head Mojo 94 (180)(L) & K2 Apache(185)(?)

post #67 of 87

Hadn't seen this thread before.  I'm considering these for my east coast pow ski, to compliment my Brahmas.  Hopefully, I can find a demo somewhere.  Thanks everyone for the info.


Edited by ed_d - 12/24/14 at 9:01pm
post #68 of 87
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Hadn't seen this thread before.  I'm considering these for my east coast pow ski, to complement my Brahmas.  Hopefully, I can find a demo somewhere.  Thanks everyone for the info.


Skiershop in Stowe VT has some mounted for demo.

post #69 of 87
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Skiershop in Stowe VT has some mounted for demo.


Thanks.

post #70 of 87

happy to be back on the Patrons!  Long story short; I ended up picking up a pair last week replacing the Unleashed Hells (which I should have kept).  In the long run,it all worked out as I prefer the slightly stiffer Patrons better but this ski is superb. No ski at 113 and rockered should hook up so precisely on soft groomed, ski bumps well (not just survivable) and of course float in pow. They have such a sweet spot and are so responsive  FWIW- mounted on FKS120's +5mm

post #71 of 87
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happy to be back on the Patrons!  Long story short; I ended up picking up a pair last week replacing the Unleashed Hells (which I should have kept).  In the long run,it all worked out as I prefer the slightly stiffer Patrons better but this ski is superb. No ski at 113 and rockered should hook up so precisely on soft groomed, ski bumps well (not just survivable) and of course float in pow. They have such a sweet spot and are so responsive  FWIW- mounted on FKS120's +5mm

Long story short?!  I'm sitting at my in-laws drinking coffee.  I'm DYING for a long story. ;)

 

@snokat, thanks for the comparison between the Head and Nordy.

 

@epic, I have a somewhat similar pairing with Line Influence 115s replacing your Helldos.  Haven't had enough time to offer any worthwhile comparisons, other than the Patrons are much easier to carry! 

post #72 of 87

Bottomline: the Patrons are sooo easy to ski they are a must have pow board in whatever size works for you.....the big sweet spot!

                   I'm looking forward to dialing the Schizos back for a different feel, just for sh'#z and giggles.

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Long story short?!  I'm sitting at my in-laws drinking coffee.  I'm DYING for a long story. ;)

 

@snokat, thanks for the comparison between the Head and Nordy.

 

@epic, I have a somewhat similar pairing with Line Influence 115s replacing your Helldos.  Haven't had enough time to offer any worthwhile comparisons, other than the Patrons are much easier to carry! 


OK, so here it goes...

 

I gave my unleashed hells to my neighbor who needed skis, then I bought a pair of  Sir francis Bacons (SFB). (over the summer)... Then I was selling my Head REV 105's, and my neighbor really could have used those more (more versatile ) so I ended up swapping those for the unleashes but I already had the SFB's.  So I sold the unleashes to A friend of @segbrown .  I skied the SFB's but really didn't care for those, I came off the mountain and walked into my LSS and he had a pair of last season's Patrons for $400 with a free remount; and a friend wanted the SFB's so it was a deal done in about 30 minutes :D  

post #74 of 87
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OK, so here it goes...

 

I gave my unleashed hells to my neighbor who needed skis, then I bought a pair of  Sir francis Bacons (SFB). (over the summer)... Then I was selling my Head REV 105's, and my neighbor really could have used those more (more versatile ) so I ended up swapping those for the unleashes but I already had the SFB's.  So I sold the unleashes to A friend of @segbrown .  I skied the SFB's but really didn't care for those, I came off the mountain and walked into my LSS and he had a pair of last season's Patrons for $400 with a free remount; and a friend wanted the SFB's so it was a deal done in about 30 minutes :D  

Beside being a skier... Are you a stock brocker??? Are you planning to do a movie? :D 

 

 

I bought my Patrons at the end of last season and only could ski a demo on-pist... Still waiting for some snow to really ski mine!!!

post #75 of 87
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I bought my Patrons at the end of last season and only could ski a demo on-pist... Still waiting for some snow to really ski mine!!!

 

 

Dismal, isn't it?  Déprimant.  I feel sorry for resorts around here.

post #76 of 87
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I bought my Patrons at the end of last season and only could ski a demo on-pist... Still waiting for some snow to really ski mine!!!


Dismal, isn't it?  Déprimant.  I feel sorry for resorts around here.

The killer is that we were actually off to a good start. Friends were skiing trees at Saddleback on Tuesday, before the rain, that usually are no good for another month.
post #77 of 87
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OK, so here it goes...

 

I gave my unleashed hells to my neighbor who needed skis, then I bought a pair of  Sir francis Bacons (SFB). (over the summer)... Then I was selling my Head REV 105's, and my neighbor really could have used those more (more versatile ) so I ended up swapping those for the unleashes but I already had the SFB's.  So I sold the unleashes to A friend of @segbrown .  I skied the SFB's but really didn't care for those, I came off the mountain and walked into my LSS and he had a pair of last season's Patrons for $400 with a free remount; and a friend wanted the SFB's so it was a deal done in about 30 minutes :D  

Thanks!  Although a day after I wrote the above post, I'm now drinking coffee at ANOTHER set of in-laws, so it worked perfectly.

 

Tomorrow, the good husband gets a hall pass to ski pow at Whitefish Mountain!

post #78 of 87
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The killer is that we were actually off to a good start. Friends were skiing trees at Saddleback on Tuesday, before the rain, that usually are no good for another month.


I know.  And Christmas break is huge for the industry.  A friend who teaches at Stratton said that conditions yesterday were brutal.  She never made it to the top of the mountain, she said, but she heard that it was worse up there.

post #79 of 87
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OK, so here it goes...

I gave my unleashed hells to my neighbor who needed skis, then I bought a pair of  Sir francis Bacons (SFB). (over the summer)... Then I was selling my Head REV 105's, and my neighbor really could have used those more (more versatile ) so I ended up swapping those for the unleashes but I already had the SFB's.  So I sold the unleashes to A friend of @segbrown
 .  I skied the SFB's but really didn't care for those, I came off the mountain and walked into my LSS and he had a pair of last season's Patrons for $400 with a free remount; and a friend wanted the SFB's so it was a deal done in about 30 minutes biggrin.gif   
Thanks!  Although a day after I wrote the above post, I'm now drinking coffee at ANOTHER set of in-laws, so it worked perfectly.

Tomorrow, the good husband gets a hall pass to ski pow at Whitefish Mountain!


15”!!!!! I'm hoping the wind chill keeps them in the bars.
post #80 of 87
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Beside being a skier... Are you a stock brocker??? Are you planning to do a movie? :D 

 

 

I bought my Patrons at the end of last season and only could ski a demo on-pist... Still waiting for some snow to really ski mine!!!


LOL!  no, I help companies relocate their employees.   No kids, work where ever. You will love the pat's...

post #81 of 87
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15”!!!!! I'm hoping the wind chill keeps them in the bars.

Agreed.  Today, crazy no doubt.  Tomorrow should be "rebound day" and near empty with the temps.

 

Fingers crossed, anyway.

post #82 of 87
I managed to mostly avoid long lines, except one time at chair seven. Great snow, glad I went.
post #83 of 87

Anyone up for playing the "what size Patron for me" game?

 

Me: 5' 10.5", 150-ish lbs, reasonably strong skier.

 

Use: East coast trees, of course.

 

Current ski: 177 Blizzard The One

 

Should I be on the 177cm Patron given the weights of some of those on the 185? Or is there an advantage to a longer ski in fresh snow in the trees even for a lighter skier?

 

Any thoughts on the Unleashed Hell as an alternative? Maybe if I go 185, I should go with that instead of the Patron?

 

Thanks!

post #84 of 87

^^^ You mention trees, east coast. You'll get the inevitable 185 rec because, oh, you know rocker skis short. And 185 is more stabile. But at your size, 177's will be more enjoyable in east coast trees, which usually come with bumps and roots and other junk to make tight spaces even tighter. And however short a ski feels, the physical dims begin to count. You won't lose much float over the 185's, since float is mostly in the width. I owned some Unleashed Hells, they were not memorable but solid, would go with same length rec. If you want major crud mashing stability, and also quickness in trees, suggest a different ski altogether. 

post #85 of 87

I am 5' 11" 140 and I ski the Patrons at 177.  

I ski out west and love these skis for all the reasons described at length on this thread and have never wished they were longer than 177.

post #86 of 87

Thanks for the advice. 177, it is.

post #87 of 87

  Josh,

 

nice skiing and video's

too bad you are banned.. (not sarcasm)

 

BTW - Nice Onesie   :)

 

Kyle

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